40 mind-blowing quotes from Barack Obama about Islam and Christianity



This is a great list highlighting how radical President Obama is when it comes to Islam and Christianity.

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20 Quotes By Barack Obama About Islam and Mohammed

#1 “The future must not belong to those who slander the Prophet of Islam”

#2 “The sweetest sound I know is the Muslim call to prayer”

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#3 “We will convey our deep appreciation for the Islamic faith, which has done so much over the centuries to shape the world — including in my own country.”

#4 “As a student of history, I also know civilization’s debt to Islam.”

#5 “Islam has a proud tradition of tolerance.

#6 “Islam has always been part of America”

#7 “we will encourage more Americans to study in Muslim communities

#8 “These rituals remind us of the principles that we hold in common, and Islam’s role in advancing justice, progress, tolerance, and the dignity of all human beings.”

#9 “America and Islam are not exclusive and need not be in competition. Instead, they overlap, and share common principles of justice and progress, tolerance and the dignity of all human beings.”

#10 “I made clear that America is not – and never will be – at war with Islam.”

#11 “Islam is not part of the problem in combating violent extremism – it is an important part of promoting peace.”

#12 “So I have known Islam on three continents before coming to the region where it was first revealed”

#13 “In ancient times and in our times, Muslim communities have been at the forefront of innovation and education.”

#14 “Throughout history, Islam has demonstrated through words and deeds the possibilities of religious tolerance and racial equality.”

#15 “Ramadan is a celebration of a faith known for great diversity and racial equality

#16 “The Holy Koran tells us, ‘O mankind! We have created you male and a female; and we have made you into nations and tribes so that you may know one another.’”

#17 “I look forward to hosting an Iftar dinner celebrating Ramadan here at the White House later this week, and wish you a blessed month.”

#18 “We’ve seen those results in generations of Muslim immigrants – farmers and factory workers, helping to lay the railroads and build our cities, the Muslim innovators who helped build some of our highest skyscrapers and who helped unlock the secrets of our universe.”

#19 “That experience guides my conviction that partnership between America and Islam must be based on what Islam is, not what it isn’t. And I consider it part of my responsibility as president of the United States to fight against negative stereotypes of Islam wherever they appear.”

#20 “I also know that Islam has always been a part of America’s story.”

 



20 Quotes By Barack Obama About Christianity and the Bible

#1 “Whatever we once were, we are no longer a Christian nation”

#2 “We do not consider ourselves a Christian nation.”

#3 “Which passages of scripture should guide our public policy?  Should we go with Leviticus, which suggests slavery is OK and that eating shellfish is an abomination?  Or we could go with Deuteronomy, which suggests stoning your child if he strays from the faith?”

#4 “Even those who claim the Bible’s inerrancy make distinctions between Scriptural edicts, sensing that some passages – the Ten Commandments, say, or a belief in Christ’s divinity – are central to Christian faith, while others are more culturally specific and may be modified to accommodate modern life.”

#5 “The American people intuitively understand this, which is why the majority of Catholics practice birth control and some of those opposed to gay marriage nevertheless are opposed to a Constitutional amendment to ban it. Religious leadership need not accept such wisdom in counseling their flocks, but they should recognize this wisdom in their politics.”

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Over the past 5 years, Obama has never one time refuted any claims or comments made about him being the liberal savior.

#6 From Obama’s book, The Audacity of Hope: “I am not willing to have the state deny American citizens a civil union that confers equivalent rights on such basic matters as hospital visitation or health insurance coverage simply because the people they love are of the same sex—nor am I willing to accept a reading of the Bible that considers an obscure line in Romans to be more defining of Christianity than the Sermon on the Mount.”

#7 Obama’s response when asked what his definition of sin is: “Being out of alignment with my values.”

#8 “If all it took was someone proclaiming I believe Jesus Christ and that he died for my sins, and that was all there was to it, people wouldn’t have to keep coming to church, would they.”

#9 “This is something that I’m sure I’d have serious debates with my fellow Christians about. I think that the difficult thing about any religion, including Christianity, is that at some level there is a call to evangelize and prostelytize. There’s the belief, certainly in some quarters, that people haven’t embraced Jesus Christ as their personal savior that they’re going to hell.”

#10 “I find it hard to believe that my God would consign four-fifths of the world to hell.  I can’t imagine that my God would allow some little Hindu kid in India who never interacts with the Christian faith to somehow burn for all eternity.  That’s just not part of my religious makeup.”

#11 “I don’t presume to have knowledge of what happens after I die. But I feel very strongly that whether the reward is in the here and now or in the hereafter, the aligning myself to my faith and my values is a good thing.”

#12 “I’ve said this before, and I know this raises questions in the minds of some evangelicals. I do not believe that my mother, who never formally embraced Christianity as far as I know … I do not believe she went to hell.”

#13 Those opposed to abortion cannot simply invoke God’s will–they have to explain why abortion violates some principle that is accessible to people of all faiths.”

#14 On his support for civil unions for gay couples: “If people find that controversial then I would just refer them to the Sermon on the Mount.”

#15 “You got into these small towns in Pennsylvania and, like a lot of small towns in the Midwest, the jobs have been gone now for 25 years and nothing’s replaced them. And they fell through the Clinton Administration, and the Bush Administration, and each successive administration has said that somehow these communities are gonna regenerate and they have not. And it’s not surprising then they get bitter, they cling to guns or religion or antipathy to people who aren’t like them or anti-immigrant sentiment or anti-trade sentiment as a way to explain their frustrations.”

#16 “In our household, the Bible, the Koran and the Bhagavad Gita sat on the shelf alongside books of Greek and Norse and African mythology”

#17 “On Easter or Christmas Day, my mother might drag me to church, just as she dragged me to the Buddhist temple, the Chinese New Year celebration, the Shinto shrine, and ancient Hawaiian burial sites.”

#18 “We have Jews, Muslims, Hindus, atheists, agnostics, Buddhists, and their own path to grace is one that we have to revere and respect as much as our own”

#19 “All of us have a responsibility to work for the day when the mothers of Israelis and Palestinians can see their children grow up without fear; when the Holy Land of the three great faiths is the place of peace that God intended it to be; when Jerusalem is a secure and lasting home for Jews and Christians and Muslims, and a place for all of the children of Abraham to mingle peacefully together as in the story of Isra— (applause) — as in the story of Isra, when Moses, Jesus, and Mohammed, peace be upon them, joined in prayer.  (Applause.)”

#20 “I believe that there are many paths to the same place, and that is a belief that there is a higher power, a belief that we are connected as a people.”


 

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  • Jeremy

    YOU’RE FORGETTING HE’S A TERRORIST, TOO!

    • RonMar

      Yes he is an Islamic jihad terrorist and a war criminal, but you don’t have to shout about it by using all caps online so rudely.

  • Jake W

    This Skeptical Bearded Man would greatly appreciate links to video evidence of each and every quote.

    Shameless Twitter plug: @Silvertongue45

    • youngcons

      Every single quote is sourced, most go to whitehous.gov

      • Jake W

        The videos of these quotes aren’t for me. They’re for the people who read this and immediately discount it because no videos are given. They’re not prone to doing their own research.

        You know them as “low-information voters”

        • cspanjunkie1

          oh, okay then- because I have watched many times when he has said these “quotes” I was outraged when I heard about how much islam has contributed -to the u.s. I remember going off in a rant about “oh yeah? what the he__ have they contributed but violence & hatred”? anyway, I am not the target audience you were speaking of.

      • Jeremy

        I went to whitehous.gov, it didn’t open. DAMN OBAMA, YOU SILLY SOCIALIST!

      • Byron H

        Actually none of the quotes are sourced. They may have come from legitimate places, but unless you give the source, then they are NOT sourced. Something that is sourced does not require the reader to find the source. As with Jake, I would also love to see the source of each quote.

        • rwatson1

          Is clicking the number beside the quote requiring too much? Those links take you directly to the document from which the quote was taken. You can read it in full context.

        • Know Really

          Another idiot.

        • RonMar

          Why? Do you doubt Obama was raised as a Marxist-Islamist and is now?

          • Tim Start

            Instead of trying to have someone prove to you that it’s true, why don’t you try to prove it’s a lie?

      • JWade

        Links work for me. Thanks youngcons!

        • Irish78623

          So what you are saying is that you are too lazy to type http://www.whitehouse.gov and do a search for the information yourself right. Wow That is what is wrong with this country.

          • Joshua Riddle

            IF YOU CAN’T SPELL, YOU MUST BE A TERRORIST

          • mhardin

            or a graduate from a publicschool in the south!

          • anoesis

            Why’d you have to put ‘in the south’? And, by the way, you capitalize the word South you stinking carpetbagger. NO public school anywhere in this country is turning out educated people any more. INDOCTRINATED ones Yes. EVERY computer has a spell check in it. If you yankees don’t use it it just shows how smart you really are. But proofreading is much more effective.

          • mhardin

            Simply because that’s where I went to school! The carpetbaggers have done an excellent job of ensuring that Southern schools and inner city schools churn out a much less educated citizen than our Northern and Midwestern brothers…I was born in Fla and have always lived here.

          • RonMar

            BullShi’ite, I call on you. If you didn’t learn any better in FL schools it is your fault, not the schools, teachers, state, county or anything, anyone else but you.

          • jim

            if you are taught wrong and no one shows you its wrong, how is that your fault?

          • RonMar

            Have you ever heard of intuition and knowing intuitively that some things are just, flat wrong, like your post?
            You are seriously in trouble if you really believe one is not
            responsible for their own behaviors and life situations. Someone has definitely pumped you full and crippled you mentally.
            You sound like Obama who also cannot accept responsibility for his own actions, always blames something or someone else.
            That is just plain sick.

          • Max

            They must not teach the proper use of the coma in the south?

          • Irish78623

            Not really sure what a ‘coma’ has to do with grammar; comma yes, coma no.

          • RonMar

            What south? South Bronx? South side of Chicago, Detroit, Cleveland, etc.?

          • mhardin

            I accept your claim as a brilliant and excellently educated citizen, but it appears either your reading comprehension or your geography may have been lacking. None of those locations are in Florida! OBTW…I am probably much more conservative than you even dream of being, but I’m certainly not letting the GOP or the media tell what it means to love this country.

          • RonMar

            I am well aware of where the places I named are, and that they are not in FL. How did FL get in your post anyway?
            So, what exactly have you done to show your love for my country?

          • Elizabeth

            Good observation. TV has gone a long way to contribute to the ‘couch potato” syndrome.

        • anoesis

          So you’re saying that watching that lying, blaspheming retard say the words and hearing him send himself to HELL is not enough proof for you? He said the BIBLE and the KoQuran sat on the shelf “with the books of… mythology” He dissed his own ‘holy’ book so he could prove his point that he thinks Christianity is a myth. And he is too stupid and self-centered to see it. There would be peace in the Middle East NOW if not for ‘peaceful’ muslims. You NEVER hear of Jews making bombs and killing people just so they can get to Heaven. They have sense enough to know GOD ALMIGHTY has said don’t do that and has prepared a place for those who do. And there will be peace in the Middle East when JESUS CHRIST, GOD ALMIGHTY in the flesh comes back to rule during the millennium. There won’t be any muslims who have NOT accepted CHRIST as their SAVIOR there. That means NO Okenyan. PRAISE GOD.

    • Know Really

      click on the link in each quote. Not only skeptical, foolish too.

    • Elizabeth

      You don’t need to be spoon-fed…….ALL and I do mean ALL the quotes, documents and videos are out there. Read Liberty and Tyranny etc. etc. etc. Go see “America” the movie etc. etc.

  • Carol

    As a Christian minister, I find myself in agreement with the President on his Christian theology. I cannot speak to his views on Islam due to my ignorance about the faith.

    • Dean from Joshua

      then you are not a Christian minister

      • spidermike

        Unfortunately, there are “christian” pastors who do not believe that the Holy Bible is the inspired word of God. The Church has been infiltrated by secularists.

        • Suzy

          Anyone who does not believe the Holy Bible is the inspired word of God is not Christian. Maybe something but not a follower of Christ.

          • Tim Start

            Actually Suzy, A Christian, a follower of Christ, doesn’t have to follow the bible. Christ wasn’t a religion. The religions, they came up around Christ. If you only look at the teachings of Christ, and you follow those teachings, doesn’t that make you a follower of Him? If you’re to follow the bible faithfully and literally, instead of as a guideline for you to live a life that’s comforting and spiritually rewarding, which version should you follow?

    • Know Really

      Pls provide the name of the church you “pastor” so we can write them and warn them about you. As to your comment about your “ignorance,” nothing need be said.

    • The Truth Only

      If you agree with Obama’s viewpoint on Christianity, read Matthew 18:6 (or Luke 17:2 or Mark 9:42) If you are misleading people about the TRUTH of the Bible, you are not a Christian minister. You may think you are, but you are truly deceived.

    • petroskhan

      I’m sorry…you’re in agreement with Obama on the his statements that there is nothing in the Bible against homosexuality? You agree that there are multiple paths to salvation? You agree that the Bible belongs amongst a collection of mythological books?
      If you are a pastor (which I SERIOUSLY doubt), I pity the poor fools who listen to you. With all due respect, of course.

      • PreacherCruz

        Why be surprised? When a person says I am a “gay Christian” or a “Female Christian Minister” we have to realize they are NOT Christian to start with. We can not DEFINE ourselves by our unrepentant sinful and rebellious actions and then call ourselves “Christian”. There is NO such thing according to scripture as a female minister/Pastor and women who insist on being what God says they cannot be are not being good Christians they are being disobedient. http://www.kjv-truth-ministries.org

        • petroskhan

          I agree with you 100%, far too many attempt to clothe themselves with the name of “Christian”, and fall very, very short when it comes down to it.

          My religious beliefs are simple: If it’s in the Bible, it’s truth. Anything else is suspect, and what contradicts the Bible is just plain wrong.

          I’m not surprised at the OP’s stance, just wanted to see some clarification. I like people to state what they believe, and I like to have details cleared up before proceeding. But, as you’ve pointed out, the Bible is clear on what constitutes a Christian, and the OP’s words indicate that she most likely is not one.

          Have a great day.

          • PreacherCruz

            Praise the Lord I think you’ve got the foundation of all things! I think you will also like a lesson the Lord gave me to write some time ago. What IS Truth? http://www.kjv-truth-ministries.org/?page_id=20

          • RonMar

            What? You are allowing yourself to be duped by a charlatan, a force against Christians and Christianity.

          • petroskhan

            When you can demonstrate that you understand what Christianity actually means, you can move on to determining who fits that description, Ron.
            But as long as you demonstrate a tolerance and endorsement for the works of Satan, no one needs to hear from you.
            Go bark somewhere else, puppy. Your noise isn’t needed here.

          • RonMar

            I gave you God’s WORDS. You can heed it or not, ayor. You must remember, you do not tell me what to do. I tell you. I am the one with authority by virtue of being called, education, experience, training and ordination; you are not. You are an agent of Satan attacking Christianity and Christians like an Islamic jihadist.

          • petroskhan

            No, Ron, as I’ve pointed out before, you don’t tell me (or anyone) what to do. You’re nobody. You’re nothing. Less than nothing, in fact.
            You claim to be “called”. By Satan, obviously, as evidence by your devotion un-Biblical and un-Godly doctrines.
            “Education”? In what? The whims and will of Satan? I’m not impressed.
            “Experience”…in attacking the Bible and those who hold to it.

            “Training”, in avoiding answering direct questions, and sticking to the Bible.
            “Ordination”..by whom, and into what religion?

            I follow the teachings of the Bible, dolt. Exactly as it’s written. You have yet to demonstrate ONE example of where I’m wrong, and you have yet to accept my challenge to discuss a single Bible topic, because you know my faith is in God, and His teachings, while you hold to the traditions of men, and the false teachings crafted by those who do not follow His Word. In short, you’re a coward, and a liar.

            Prove me wrong. Man up, and show some spine. Prove me wrong. On ANYTHING.

          • RonMar

            You could not be more wrong if you tried. I am called by the Lord to ministry, equipped by seminary study and graduation as well as a rich life of experiences well exceeding your lifetime, trained in a variety of fields including inductive Bible study, counseling and others. Ordained as a minister upon completion of seminary, by whom is none of your business, into Protestant ministry is more than enough for you. I remember when you thought I was Catholic because I went to seminary. LOL.
            You don’t know the teachings of the Bible. You can’t even read the Bible properly and correctly. I have demonstrated countless times where you are wrong in attacking Christianity and Christians. I am not about to get into an online debate with someone who abandoned going to church and meets in his own home, alone, or with a handful of other misfits from one of the denominations you condemn in your hate and anger.
            You don’t know God, let alone His teachings. You are the coward and liar trying to project your traits and behaviors onto me and others – a sure sign of your insanity.
            You man up, show some spine, prove yourself wrong. Use the WORDS model of what God expects of His people. You will see that you fail.
            You have few choices now – use the model, 1) report back here your failure after you prove to yourself you are not a Christian, 2) keep posting your ignorant Islamic jihad attacks on Christianity and Christians, and 3) realize how wrong you are, stop posting, go away forever and concentrate on attaining your salvation which you presently do not have.

          • petroskhan

            I’m amazed that you are able to type while patting yourself on the back as much as you do. It seems to me that no one else must actually pay you any compliments in real life, since you’re so desperate for them that you provide them to yourself.

            You’re a Protestant? My condolences. They’re nearly as lost and bereft of true faith as the Catholic Church. (Oh, and as for the assumption of your being Catholic, your Alzheimer’s must be kicking in again. I explained that once before. Try to remember next time, will you?)

            “You don’t know the teachings of the Bible. You can’t even read the Bible properly and correctly.”

            Prove
            it. Stop just typing away about how wrong I am, and actually debate a
            topic of your choosing with me. Unless you’re afraid, of course…

            “I have demonstrated countless times where you are wrong in attacking Christianity and Christians.”

            Umm…no, Ron. You’ve STATED countless times that you think I’m wrong, but you’ve never proven, or even discussed, a single thing. You’ve avoided doing so, resorting to childish and unfounded insults, bombast and bluster, but nothing of substance has ever come from your keyboard. If I’m so far off-base, it should be easy to prove where I’m wrong. Pick a topic, and we’ll have a go at it, as soon as you find the courage to do so. I await your pleasure, sir. I can even help you, if you’d like.

            You started attacking me with your insulting behavior when I accused another poster (who claimed to be Mormon) of not following the Bible, and being wrong about several matters of Scripture. You have quite vehemently defended said woman, and the Mormon faith, stating that it was evil of me to criticize Mormonism, and tossed out your usual repertoire of insults in regards to me personally, and my faith (about which you know next to nothing, by the way). How about we discuss whether or not Mormons are Christians? You claim to be Protestant, so neither of us would have a dog in that fight, so it should be easy to remain unbiased and civil, wouldn’t you say? Or perhaps we could discuss the various evils and failings of the Catholic Church. I doubt, as a Protestant, you would bear THAT church any great good will, but you claim that they are Christians, while I say they’re not.

            As for your “WORDS” model, Ron, I have no interest in using any sort of man-made “model”, especially one advocated by someone as virulent and hate-filled as you are. I have read, and continue to read, the Bible, and I use it in its entirety as my guide, both for my life and my faith. I need nothing from anyone else.

            As for the “choices” you outline, you are, as usual, wrong. Shall I outline why for you?

            Option 1 holds no interest for me, mainly due to your advocacy of it. If it’s got the RonMar seal of approval, there is something inherently wrong with it.

            Option 2 shows what a foolish load of tripe you’re willing to post with your name attached to it. I’m posting “Islamic jihad attacks”? Really, Ron? I tell people to read and follow the Bible. Explain how that is an attack on Christianity. If you’ve got the spine to do nothing else, address that one point. I continually tell people to read and follow the BIBLE. How is that being against Christianity? How is advocating following the Bible “Islamic”? If you can explain that, and back it up with Scripture, I will stop posting.

            Option 3 is ludicrous, since I’m using the Bible as my guide. If you think I’m wrong, you think God’s wrong, since His Word is my guide, and you’ve never once shown the courage to debate me on a single point of faith.

            And as for you deciding who is saved, and who isn’t, when did you decide that you would usurp God’s authority over THAT judgment call, Ron? Funny…I’ve read the Bible cover to cover numerous times, and studied it in quite a bit of detail for a great many years…I can’t find anywhere where YOU get to decide who’s saved. Maybe you could point out where in the Bible you find this particular privilege reserved for the Great RonMar?

          • PreacherCruz

            LOL at the image of a person typing while patting themselves on the back and with BOTH hands, no less! How on Earth does such a person type? With a pencil in their mouth?
            I have noticed more and more people in just the last year who seem to think that name calling and declarative statements are a winning strategy for debates. Most people see right through these tactics and I really wonder how people who consider themselves SO smart can’t tell when they are losing and looking like petulant children who refuse to see or hear anything they don’t like.
            A few years ago the Lord led me to an interesting position on Christians and different churches that I find to be ENTIRELY consistent with scripture. Namely, that there are or can be certainly, many saved and born again Christians of good conscience in many church bodies that are themselves not scripturally correct or “Christian”. Examples? I could give you a whole list but the Mormon (Church of Latter Day saints), Jehovah’s Witnesses, Catholic, Seventh Day Adventists most Pentecostal faith groups and many more are NOT Christian. Basically, if they teach that you need ANYTHING other than Christ and the Bible they are CULTS and false prophets. There are often good Christian people involved in these churches due to family tradition etc but ultimately they are wrong for taking part in false teaching, fellowship and worship that doesn’t believe as they do and doesn’t hold STRICTLY to scripture. I am Sola Scriptura but not on the way the Catholics use it.

            Yes, the people who scream about their superiority, the loudest I fear, are sometimes the ones with the most to hide or the greatest need of a humbling and “humiliating kick in the crotch” as it were by God.
            His long suffering kindness and patience is a wonder sometimes that I don’t entirely agree with though I sure have needed it too… I fully concede that ALL men are sinners and that ALL men are fallible. Yes, that means I COULD be wrong and I am open to the possibility that I MAY be but it takes more than some self appointed judge and better saying it to make it so.

          • RonMar

            Do the WORDS model assessment of yourself if you really want the truth about you and your Christian walk.

          • PreacherCruz

            I’m not too proud to admit when I don’t know something. As little as I feel you’ve earned or deserve the respect of considering your posts as worth my time by repeatedly abusing and insulting those with whom you do not agree……
            I will bite. Please explain for us the WORDS model of Christian assessment since I can’t find anything on it in Google or Bing Searches. I actually look FORWARD to hearing about it since I really wonder what standard you hold yourself to that has you convinced of your superiority since it doesn’t seem to be the Bible.

          • petroskhan

            VERY nicely put.

          • RonMar

            From one failure at trying to be a Christian to another, both lacking any model by which to assess themselves or standards to which they can hold themselves and be held by others based on a true and real reading and understanding of the Bible.

            In your case in particular you left an entire denomination and a local church to avoid accountability, and are now unchurched accountable only to yourself and the Satan you serve as you attack certain Christian denominations, Christianity and Christians.
            Lord, i am so glad I am not you blundering along toward your day of judgment by The Judge.

          • petroskhan

            “both lacking any model by which to assess themselves or standards to which they can hold themselves”

            It’s called the Bible, Ron. Heard of it? It’s filled with great sayings and examples by the greatest role model ever, and a great many standards. Try reading it some time, git.

            “In your case in particular you left an entire denomination and a local church to avoid accountability…”

            Your memory is as faulty as your reasoning, kiddo. As you’ve been told, I left the SDA Church because they endorse and practice pagan festivals. Remember now?

            “…and are now unchurched accountable only to yourself…”

            And God. Don’t forget about Him, okay? After all, it’s His rules I’m following. I know that bothers you, but His opinion matters far more than yours, Ron.

            “…you attack certain Christian denominations, Christianity and Christians.”

            Again, your mental decrepitude is manifesting itself once again, I’m sorry to say. I don’t attack Christians. I point out the various errors made by those who profess to be Christians, and the pagan and/or idolatrous practices of too many false claimants to the title of Christian. Good grief, can’t you get ANYTHING right when you sit down to type?

            “Lord, i am so glad I am not you blundering along toward your day of judgment by The Judge.”

            Well, I’m glad you’re not me, too, Ronnie. Because if you were me, then I’d have to be someone else, and I might be someone who is hopelessly lost…someone so lost in his own arrogance, puffed by pride like the Pharisees, and so full of errors and so blinded to the truth that there was very little hope that he would EVER see the truth in God’s Holy Word.

            You know…someone like YOU.

          • RonMar

            To be on topic a bit, tell me your take on Obama – his Christian vs. Islamic faith beliefs, his performance in his job, where he is taking the US if people allow him to do so anymore than he has already. In many ways your statements on Christianity are as outlandish as Obama’s, and although you refuse to see it, you are behaving much more like an Islamic jihadist than a Christian.

            Now, it is laughable you, a layperson lacking any formal, disciplined training in reading and understanding the Bible presume to try telling me about God’s Holy Word. As you demonstrate amply and as often as possible you don’t have the slightest idea how to read and understand the Bible. You cannot even state in one or two simple sentences what the Bible is all about and get it right.
            You have no appreciation for the accountability of association with Christians in a church setting. Somehow you came to a conclusion that you and you alone are right and everyone else is wrong. That is so true of you, you remind me of the soldier who believes everyone else is out of step but him.

            You, furthermore, do not have a clue about the true nature of the Lord, God, Jesus the Christ-Messiah-Savior. Like most misguided people unable to read with comprehension you imagine Jesus is the one of the Sermon on the Mount – the Beatitudes – all sweetness, love and light. Thus you have set yourself up for some horrendous shocks when Jesus comes for the final judgment.
            Sadly you will be found wanting, and even more so be punished severely for your attacks on Christianity and Christians like an Islamic jihadist.

            I recall exactly what you told me including how you did it, and what you have been doing since. I repeat for your benefit again, celebrating the birth of Jesus the Christ and His resurrection is not “pagan festivals.” You have never described for me to see what the SDA church was doing that offended you so much.
            You have rejected God to play god. You have no idea what God’s rules are, indeed had never even considered what God expects of His people as I shared with you in the WORDS model I developed while in seminary, based on the Bible with Scripture support in abundance for each letter in the acronym. You rejected it because it came from me. That is a result of the envy and hate that dwells within you.

            It is that same envy and hate that prompted you to leave the SDA Church and concentrate on your self-appointed campaign of attacking certain denominations, if not all Christianity and Christians. Read your own posts. Read what you posted to me when I told you I am a Protestant.

            Help me here, petroskham, if you are not a Catholic, a Protestant, some kind of Orthodox exactly what kind of Christian do you claim to be, of what major branch of Christian faith belief do you ascribe or adhere to even in general terms.

            Here again your comment cries out for an explanation – “His opinion matters far more than yours, Ron.” How exactly has God communicated His opinion to you, especially so since you don’t know how to read the Bible? Does God appear to you in visions in your chosen cave as the Angel Gibril – Arabic for Gabriel – did to Mohammad and reveal to you some Bible like the Angel did the Qur’an to the self-proclaimed prophet of hate, violence, and political power and control?
            You attack certain Christian denominations, Christianity in general and Christians in public. That is wrong. It is what Islamic jihadists, atheists, agnostics and other agents of Satan do. Deny it all you want, it is clearly what you do and with great pride in your vile and evil behaviors, particularly so at this time when we are in a World War declared on us by Islamic jihadists and a Culture War being pursued by atheists, agnostics, secular humanists and others not of the Lord, God, Jesus the Christ.

            “the pagan and/or idolatrous practices ….” – Please post for me a list of the practices that are acceptable to you in Worship – the W in WORDS – of God. Paint a mental picture for me of what your ideal church and its members will do when they come together on whatever day of the week to rest and worship the Lord, God, Jesus the Christ as guided by the Holy Spirit. Name the day of the week and tell me why that would be your day for rest and worship of the Lord.

            Please post for me also the practices that are acceptable to you for honoring the birth of Jesus the Christ, His crucifixion, resurrection and ascension into Heaven.

            Will there be singing in your church, dancing, reenactments, puppet shows for younger people, baptisms, Scripture reading, prayer, preaching/teaching from the Bible, sharing of testimonies, Holy Communion, foot washing, laying on of hands, faith healing, anointing, communal meals, Bible Study classes, what?
            You are “hopelessly lost…someone so lost in his own arrogance, puffed by pride like the Pharisees, and so full of errors and so blinded to the truth that there was very little hope that he would EVER see the truth in God’s Holy Word,” but you don’t realize it. You are in fact trying to project your traits and behaviors onto me and others, revealing your pathetic insanity and hopelessness of ever recovering until you do realize what you have done, are doing, and seem so determined to continue doing.
            Do you have any idea why this “1:19 a.m., Sunday Oct. 13″ appeared in the Disqus notification to me of your post but not in your post? What is it’s intent, meaning, purpose?
            It is 11:42 p.m. where I am right now in the Middle East, and 4:42 p.m. in the eastern time zone of the US.

          • petroskhan

            Okay, on topic, and I will answer your question, even though I am compelled to point out that you never actually answer mine.

            My take on Obama? He might be a Muslim; at the very least, he’s a dhimmi, a willing servant of Islam. I don’t think he actually subscribes to ANY faith on personal level, and he is certainly no Christian. As for his performance on his job, that depends on what “job” we’re talking about. If you’re referring to the job for which the MSM claims he was elected (I doubt he actually WAS elected), then he is doing the worst job in the history of this once-great nation. If you mean the job for which he was groomed his whole life, then he is doing quite well in undermining the strengths of this country, and putting it further down the road to becoming another second-rate third-world country.

            Now, I’m not going to further engage in pointless back and forth with you on the subject of religion. It’s simply not Christian, and after some serious prayer and introspection, I refuse to participate in that sort of behavior henceforth. Instead, I’m going to try to make things very, VERY simple, and see if we can get to the root of your animosity towards me, a feeling which I do not reciprocate, and by which, frankly, I am slightly puzzled.

            You constantly claim that I don’t know the Bible, and don’t have a clue what I’m talking about, so let’s run with that, on a basic issue or two, if that’s all right with you.

            I recall that on Zionica, you were defending, and angered by my criticisms of, Mormonism. So, one question for you, if you don’t mind. Were Joseph Smith and Brigham true prophets of the Lord, speaking for Him? Simple yes or no question, but feel free to expound at any length you feel driven to.

            As for Xmas and Easter…both are pagan in origin, and no one can truthfully or honestly claim otherwise. Now, since the Bible states in numerous places that followers of God are not to practice pagan customs even if they intend it to honor God (Exodus 32), to not even be curious about their customs (Jer 10:2 is one example), how would you, personally, justify Christmas?

            Please understand Ron, I’m trying VERY hard to have a meaningful conversation with you, to discuss matters of faith in a truly Christian manner, without name-calling or hostility. Once again, I’m holding out the hand of friendship and brotherhood to you, hoping very sincerely that you will at least be willing to give it a chance. Endlessly picking and sniping at each other is NOT Christian, and I’m going to stop. From this post on, the tone I’ve set with this one is the only one I’m going to use. I’m hoping that you can and will do likewise.

            Also, just to let you know, I hear you when you say that you’re working hard, and I do appreciate the valuable time you’ve spent thus far.

          • RonMar

            If you ever learn to read, read my post. Pay particular attention to the part where I said I developed the WORDS model while in seminary. (Seminary is a place where people go to become equipped to serve the Lord by learning from Bible scholars, men and women of God how to read and understand the Bible as well as other topics related to being a pastor, Christian minister and preacher/teacher of God’s Word.)

            Also note the WORDS model has primary Scriptures supporting each of the letters in Worship, Outreach, Relationship, Discipleship and Service. I also invite you and others to add additional Scriptures for each of the letters in the acronym WORDS that I use for ease of memory and teaching purposes to others.

            It is an original developed by me; not something stolen, taken from or taught by someone or anyone else.
            WORDS is what God expects of His people who form His churches, thus what God expects of His Church.

            It’s in the Bible and all about the Bible which is the standard to which I hold myself as if it matters. The important thing is, Preacher, God holds you to the Bible.
            So how do you measure up against the Word of God and God’s WORDS?

          • petroskhan

            I agree about some religions not being Christian, and in particular the ones you’ve pointed out. The thing that irks me is how many people are duped into following these obviously false faiths by slick talk and pretty buildings.

            It’s especially annoying when the foundations of some of these faiths, like Mormonism and Catholicism, are so easily dis-proven by even the briefest study of the Bible. But I guess that’s what the Bible means when it says that few will find that narrow gate.

            I am also equally amused by those who need to proclaim so loudly their own superiority. My theory is that in real life, such people get little to no attention, and crave some sort of recognition, some validation of their own opinions of themselves. Perhaps going back and reading what they’ve written later is a substitute for having someone else write great things about them? Or maybe they were ignored as children, not given enough love? LOL I don’t know. I’m not only comfortable with who I am, but very aware of my faults, and quite honest about them. I’m working on them, but I don’t try to hide from them.

            I especially agree with this comment of yours:
            “Yes, that means I COULD be wrong and I am open to the possibility that I MAY be but it takes more than some self appointed judge and better saying it to make it so.”

            Whenever confronted (online or IRL) by one who claims that I am wrong, I simply point to the Bible, and say, “Show me where it says I’m wrong.” I try to explain to people that I don’t have opinions. I have conclusions drawn from and based on facts available. If I’m going to be proven wrong on a point of faith, it will be proven from the pages of Scripture, not the hot air from some bombastic self-appointed and woefully ignorant curmudgeon with less knowledge of Scripture than I. Until and unless sufficient proof from the Words of God are provided that demonstrate I am in error, I will continue to believe as I do. His Words are my guide, not those of fallible men.

          • PreacherCruz

            While reading some of your posts I was struck at how similar our approaches are as they relate to what is Christian. IF it aligns with scripture it is true if not it is NOT. Pretty simple really.

            I really don’t have that much time to devote to hateful naysayers and the ONLY reason I EVER engage them is because I am mindful that OTHERS may be reading. I hope that my calm and hopefully Biblical responses to negativity and open judgment may help to show the Love of Christ in action and that my conduct may in some small way reflect positively on my maker and Savior. It is HIM who made me and HE who allows me to do good when I manage to do it.

          • petroskhan

            I couldn’t agree more. The Bible is, as the source document of Christianity, the sole “go to” source for what is right, and what is not. I find it amusing how complicated others choose to make things.

            As for the negative people out there, I pretty much feel the same way; my lesser emotions sometimes get the better of me, though, and I fall short of being as calm and Biblical as I’d like. But I’m aware of my shortcomings, and working on them. With God’s help, I’ll get there. I’ve found that if I don’t just start writing off the cuff, but take the time to pray for guidance first, my posts come across a bit closer to the mark than if not.

          • RonMar

            Do the WORDS model assessment of yourself. The three of you can do it together and see how you fare individually and collectively.

          • petroskhan

            Please refer to my other answer to you.

            And…”three of you”?

          • RonMar

            Yes, the three of you – you, Proud to call himself PreacherCruz and Glen Stevens posing as Bodey.

          • PreacherCruz

            You OBVIOUSLY fail to follow our conversation. I am not duped by anyone. Please quote me directly and show where you think I’ve been duped by anyone or am otherwise wrong. God bless.

          • RonMar

            Here you go:
            PreacherCruz [to] petroskhan a day ago Praise the Lord I think
            you’ve got the foundation of all things! I think you will also like a
            lesson the Lord gave me to write some time ago. What IS Truth? http://www.kjv-truth-ministrie
            Read the thread Preacher. Get to know the person who calls himself petroskhan and is known by others a pet or petroskham.
            Ask him why he left a local church and an entire denomination of Protestant Christian believers and has since been meeting with a few others in his home.

          • PreacherCruz

            I was only responding to the post I was addressing where pettroskhan said “My religious beliefs are simple: If it’s in the Bible, it’s truth. Anything else is suspect, and what contradicts the Bible is just plain wrong.” I can find NO fault whatever in that post or logic. It MAY be that he has said things before that I wouldn’t agree with but I can’t speak to that without having knowledge of same. Therefore I was not duped by him or anyone else. I have never said that everything he posts is correct etc.

          • petroskhan

            This is in reply to your other post, which is being moderated, no doubt due to Ron petulantly flagging it as inappropriate, as he is so fond of doing.

            I found your page describing your exchange with Ron to be QUITE entertaining, and reminiscent of the many exchanges I’ve had with ol’ Ron. (By the way, has he threatened to sue you yet? That’s sort of his thing, you know?) Seems like Ron has a routine that he follows: Insult someone, then move on to belittle that person’s faith. Then claim that he knows more than that person does, but never get involved in actually proving or demonstrating that he knows anything at all. Insult some more. Avoid any topic while listing his alleged accomplishments and holy nature. Insult some more. Tell the other guy he’s wrong again…about everything…and how Ron knows better (without
            showing that he actually does). Did I mention insulting the other
            party, and his faith (without actually a thing about either).

            LOL – He is quite the character, and I feel the internet would be a far less interesting place without his input.

            As for my rather sarcastic and insulting post to him:

            I’ve extended the hand of friendship to him many, many times, even told him I’m willing to start all over, clean slate, tabula rasa, etc. All offers of such have been met with snide insults, condescension and hot air – along with a healthy dose of RonMar propaganda about how educated and superior he is to every man on this planet. Oddly enough, for all of his arrogant posturing about his vast and perfect knowledge of the Bible, he’s never once been courageous enough to actually discuss a single Biblical topic with me (or anyone else, for that matter).

            As for engaging him in the same manner as he addresses me…well…you’ve got me on that one. I need to exert more consistent control over myself, and not lower myself to his level in these discussions. I just get a bit tired of…well…no excuses. He is who he is, and I am only accountable for MY actions, over which I have control and for which I am accountable.

            Thanks for reminding me.

            And since your other post is “awaiting moderation”, I will answer you here regarding my leaving of the Church.

            For over 30 years, I was a member of the Seventh-Day Adventist Church. I rigorously defended the Church against those who maligned it, or called it a cult, etc. But the reverence for Ellen White displayed by so many rubbed me the wrong way, as did calling her a prophet. I researched the matter, and found that she had made many, many predictions which never came to pass. This, of course, disqualifies one from being a prophet of God, as His prophets are correct 100% of the time.

            Furthermore, I was disturbed by their stance on Christmas and Easter; both are pagan in their roots and traditions, and the Bible is quite clear on the adoption of pagan things for the worship of God. I approached the leaders of the Church regarding this matter, and even wrote to the General Conference on this subject, sending to both over 14 pages of Biblical quotes and my thoughts on the subject. In exchange, I received a single page of…Ellen White quotes. I offered up the Word of God, telling us to NOT partake of (or even inquire about) pagan festivals, and I get a couple of quotes from a demonstrably false prophet.

            Needless to say, I was done with them at that point. Discussing this with a few others who were likewise unhappy with the paganism and adulation of Mrs. White, we left the Church, and starting having our own Bible studies sessions each Sabbath right here in my home. Not one of us has looked back, and we’re all better off now than we were before.

            No large, well-funded organization is needed to follow Christ. No building dedicated to man’s glory is required. The Church, the true Church, is the entire body of those who believe in, and follow, our Savior’s Words. In that regard, in the way the Bible states it, I am a member of the only real Church that matters. I couldn’t be happier.

          • PreacherCruz

            Your experiences with Ron mirror my own and that is why I have studiously avoided exchanges with him for over a year. Some people are just too taxing to waste time on. In my experience, those who boast of their righteousness, education and perfection are the ones we need to consider most suspect. Yes, if I had bothered to put EVERY quote from our exchange on the site it would’ve become so long I doubt anyone would’ve read it but he DID also threaten me with lawsuits. I laughingly encouraged him to go ahead since this was just further evidence he wasn’t conducting himself according to scripture and that I could support everything I’ve posted in court if the need should arise.

            I try to stay humble in all things by remembering that I am what I am by Gods making and grace ALONE. I deserve and can take NO credit for Gods work. Also I consider one of my life verses to be 1 Timothy 1:15 This is a faithful saying, and worthy of all acceptation, that Christ Jesus came into the world to save sinners; of whom I am chief.
            I’m really not sure what motivates a person like RonMar and honestly don’t care as I think he is a black eye on all of Christianity most of the time he posts. I will address your decision to leave the Seventh Day Adventists on another post you’ve left… Hint, I think you were entirely correct to do so.

          • Bodey043

            It seems most individuals who’ve had the misfortune of crossing paths with Ron have a similar experience. I agree that Ronald is a blight on Christianity.

          • PreacherCruz

            I chose black eye as a more apt analogy as blight sounds, perhaps, a bit too strong but if that is your judgment who am I to question it.

            I don’t know if you saw the link I provided earlier but a series of posts between Ron and myself became the euphemistically named “Exchanging Pleasantries With Another Christian”.. http://www.kjv-truth-ministries.org/?p=650

          • Bodey043

            Yes, your post is true to Ron’s m.o.

          • RonMar

            Who appointed you judge, sick little boy who lost a son and does not know how to deal with it other than to attack other Christians, particularly women?

          • Bodey043

            More continued nonsense from one who professes Christ, but who clearly doesn’t know Him.

          • RonMar

            Who appointed you judge, sick little boy who lost a son and does not
            know how to deal with it other than to attack other Christians,
            particularly women?

          • Bodey043

            When you start answering direct questions with direct answers then you can ask others that question.

          • RonMar

            Glen, are you posing now as a guest while harassing me online? FYI I may ask whatever I want whenever I want without any preconditions from you, sick boy. You have no right or cause to ask me any questions or to post to me ever again about anything. I have warned you, and I do intend to fulfill my promise to take care of you by legal means in due time.
            Right now I am on an overseas mission trip and have little-no time for a pesky idiot like you.

          • Bodey043

            Now, just where in the Bible do you find that this continued attack is justified and warranted.

          • RonMar

            The same place where you find stalking, harassing me and trying to defame my character, especially while I am on an overseas mission trip in an extremely dangerous part of the world that you have never seen or ever will see, boy.

          • Bodey043

            In other words, you can’t find a place where your continued nonsense, attacks, lies, or thinly veiled profanity is condoned by the Word.

          • RonMar

            No, boy, but rather “in other words” I am being a Christian; you are not. You are being a petulant pest interfering as much as you can, as I will allow you, with my missionary work for the Lord. The price you are going to pay for your hatefulness is going to be heavy Glen, very heavy for you, certainly when you stand before The Judge.
            Do you mean “Word” or World? With you and your sloppy posts one can never be sure what you mean.

          • Bodey043

            Ronald, you have been told on numerous occasions, by numerous individuals, on numerous sites to start demonstrating your assertions conclusively through contextual use of the Word (rather than your cherry picking) and through direct quotes (and links to posts which demonstrate your assertions). It it you who are guilty of most everything of which you accuse others.

            For everyone’s sake, go crawl back into the hole from whence you came.

            BTW: If everyone else is the problem, why is it that a brief survey of our dialogues of the past year reveal that your posts often get deleted by the moderators?

          • RonMar

            Glen, this sums up you and your posts, unworthy of a scintilla of my time or attention – “It it you ….”
            Be patient boy, your day is coming. Right now you are nothing but a minor annoyance to me, a slight distraction from the work for the Lord that I am doing as He has called and helped me be equipped. The people with whom I am working daily – day and night, long hours – sharing the Good News Gospel message deserve my attention right now, not you.

          • RonMar

            This is tongue-wagging as mentioned in the Bible, and an example of the tongue-wagging at it worst. I have not reviewed what you posted on your website and am so busy in my ministries, presently in the Middle East for a while since September and to not really have the time or interest right now to check out what kind of one-sided story you presented without affording me the courtesy of commenting on it before you published it.

            That’s the kind of person you are.

          • PreacherCruz

            More of the insults, slander and defamation you CRY about in others.
            You are MORE than aware of the page as I told you LAST year that I would not respond to you any further unless you posted THERE since I had taken the time and trouble to post much of our debate on one page to make things easier for those who wished to read it. With entire quotes from you unedited…
            READ my last response to you sent before this. The gloves are off and I will NOT talk to you any more. IF you want to talk to me you can SUE me if that is what you want to do.
            Respond to me ONE more time and I WILL actively seek to share your words and conduct with anyone and everyone you know. No more games it is time to be held accountable.
            you CLAIM to be so busy serving the Lord but you have PLENTY of time to make an online annoyance and ASS of yourself to ANYONE who doesn’t agree with every word YOU say, mostly unsupported by and devoid of scripture.
            THAT is the kind of person YOU are. DO NOT address me again.

          • RonMar

            How very unchristian of you to threaten me so and to call me an ass. Try to carry out your threat. That will give me an abundance of evidence for filing and winning a civil suit against you. I hope your “ministry” preacher boy is worth something. I will own it.

          • PreacherCruz

            I never threaten. That is your bag. I tell people what I am going to do and I see it through! Apparently you can’t read because I never said anything about you being ass. You threaten people repeatedly but when people take exception and stand up to your bullying you CRY like you’re the wronged party. STOP talking and do something or leave me alone. I will NOT respond to anything you say but I WILL share our conversations with EVERYONE. Good bye.

          • RonMar

            Preacher, I am giving you fair warning – Cease and Desist. You are a liar, charlatan and a fake just as we are warned of in Bible prophecy – ” you have PLENTY of time to make an … ASS of yourself.”
            I am on mission right now overseas and have no more time for your Satanic attacks, but I assure you I will deal with you in due time.

          • PreacherCruz

            I CAN’T Wait. YOU are the cry baby LIAR who threatens people again and again with lawsuits, calls people insane, false prophets money grubbers, un saved, illiterate etc etc. You abuse others DAILY and habitually and then throw a FIT like a ten year old bully when someone stands up to you. I give YOU fair warning that I don’t care what you say or do to me. I don’t think you will ever do anything but TALK as that is all you seem to be good at.
            Forgetting something was said is not the same as lying. YOU also act as if you’ve EVER told me what the WORDS model was. SO, were you lying or did you tell someone else and mistakenly think you’d told me.
            Funny how you create YOUR own personal model of what is Christian that conveniently IGNORES all scripture you DON’T follow. Speaking the truth in love? Not calling people names? Not provoking? Not threatening or taking other believers before the authorities? Being slow to anger? I could go on an don and NO I have not been blameless in this. The major difference here is that YOU think you ARE blameless..
            If EVERYONE you come in contact with online tells you the SAME things it must get really hard to keep saying “it’s not me, it’s not me. it’s not me it’s YOU!” At what point will Peter Perfect the Minister EVER start to think that MAYBE he is doing something wrong? I will NOT answer you again. Instead I will do just as I’ve promised. I will create a lengthier post with some of your “greatest hits” highlighting your judgmental, false witness bearing, name calling antagonistic and childish posts and I will post it to ANYONE and everyone who knows RonMar…
            I would think that with ALL your personal achievements, ministry contacts and personal ministry assistants you would have ONE person EVER on here defending you and yet you do not. I wonder why that might be?

          • RonMar

            No, hello. You have returned to harass and attack me while I am on an overseas mission trip for the Lord, literally at risk of my life in a most dangerous place. Apparently you are too stupid to know or care that you are interfering with the work of the Lord. You are going to pay dearly for it PreacherBoy, especially when you stand before The Judge on your judgment day.

          • RonMar

            What happened to your post Preacher? No matter. I have it for the legal file against you.

          • PreacherCruz

            Here’s how worried I am about that!

            Here is just a snippet of my response to you that I will be sharing with EVERYONE from “Don’t Feed the Trolls: A Response to my “Friend” RonMar… http://www.kjv-truth-ministries.org/?p=1127

            Here is what little is known about RonMar from his own blurb or about on Disqus….

            “Retired US military officer with 21 years active duty, 38 years total in uniform. University assistant professor, teacher in various disciplines including aviation, boating, history, leadership and management. Graduate degree in counseling psychology, trained, certified and practiced counselor. Professional writer and editor. Founded and served as CEO of several, diverse, small businesses, all successful. Saved at age 14, called to ministry in 2000, seminary graduate, ordained, working minister and missionary particularly to Muslims and others in the Middle East and here, soldier in the Army of God resisting attacks on Christians and Christianity, minister to less fortunate people. Son of a WWII veteran, father of two sons – an attorney, and a retired AF fighter pilot. Two grandchildren.”

            Oh, my goodness! He IS accomplished but that’s nothing just wait until you see him walk on water whilst turning it into wine AND bottling it! I’m surprised he didn’t say he also had the Congressional Medal of Honor, a Nobel Peace Prize and had been Times man of the year TWICE, he was named Sexiest Man Alive in 1946 & 47 and Sexiest Woman also in 1947! He is the currently reigning three time world (MMA) Mixed Martial Arts Champion, currently serves as Vice President of the United Sates, currently holds the Guiness books world record for most words typed whilst simultaneously patting yourself on the back with both hands, and has never failed at anything except finding anyone else half as perfect, righteous and talented as himself. Also, he displayed great promise as a musician while playing the Kazoo at seven years old and undoubtedly could have been a musical prodigy had he not been so damn busy running his first successful business, a paper route. Notice something odd here though? Since he never uses his real name or says WHERE he ministers, who ordained him, where he went to college or seminary, where he supposedly teaches what businesses he supposedly founded or was CEO of we have NO way of knowing what if ANYTHING he posts about himself is true. Funny how THAT works isn’t it.

            People should treat each other with decency and respect because it’s the RIGHT thing to do but when you grow up in Detroit you also learn that you better watch who you mess with because some people you just don’t want to push too far and for ME, the edge was watching how RonMar treats EVERYONE with whom he disagrees. I will not back down and I will not show any fear of him as GOD is on my side.
            I will Blacklist him and I will not read ANYTHING he says but I will be sharing this page with EVERYONE and we will see if “RonMar” ever dares do ANYTHING about it.

          • RonMar

            That should serve well to show what a silly, foolish, hateful, mean, arrogant, ignorant, childish, lying and mentally ill person you are. Well done.

          • petroskhan

            How very Christ-like….

          • RonMar

            How nice of you to notice that Jesus the Christ did not put up with false teachers, preachers and prophets. He dealt with them with the means He had available to Him as I do following in His footsteps and image.

          • petroskhan

            You seem to have deviated somewhat from that path, brother.

            How about you show some Scripture that backs up your insistence on NOT answering questions, constantly insulting others, and in general acting like a rather boorish child?

          • RonMar

            How about you STFU with your stupid opinions and repetitive blathering. F=Face in my STFU to you my pet, petroskham, the American Taliban, Islamic jihadist constantly on the attack against Christians, Christianity and chosen denominations from his dank, dark basement somewhere in the USA as an emigrant from some foreign land for the benefits of being in the USA.
            The questions you ask, boy, are improper, inappropriate and deserve no answer or discussion. Learn to understand the irrelevance you have relegated yourself to by your own life choices, loser bound for Hell to be burned as a lost sinner by your own choices.

          • petroskhan

            Until and unless you learn to comport yourself with some semblance of civility, maturity and humilty, not one single person will take you seriously.
            You’re arrogant, conceited, and full of hot air, brother.
            You lack any and every characteristic that is the hallmark of a man of God, and follower of Christ.
            You CONSTANTLY prattle about your vaunted qualifications, yet show NO evidence of actually knowing anything about he Bible or Christianity.
            You refuse to discuss or debate a single Bible topic, for fear that you will be shown wrong, ignorant, or both.
            And finally, and most perilously, you assume an authority reserved for God alone. You repeatedly, with great arrogance and false superiority, assume the authority to pass judgment upon those who’ve done nothing but disagree with you. Not with God…YOU. My final fate is for God to decide, brother, not you. What is in my heart is for HIM to know, not you. To put it mildly, who do you think you are? On what Scriptural basis do you assume to have the authority to know where I am “bound”? You are walking a very dangerous path. You would be wise to ask the Lord to forgive you for this blasphemy, and fill your heart with a lot more humility than your posts have demonstrated.
            When you find the intestinal fortitude, and knowledge, to debate a single topic like the man I hope you can some day become, let me know. Until then, your words are nothing but air.
            Oh, and FYI…I was born in this country, brother.

          • RonMar

            I am being civil, mature and a bit more humble than I should be with you. No, I will not go over the same claptrap with you again. Thanks, but goodbye on that one.

          • petroskhan

            You seriously call your behavior civil? You refuse to answer honest, simple questions, and instead reply with vitriolic hatred and pious condemnation towards someone who’s done nothing but disagree with you.

            And mature? HAH! I’ve seen 5 year old children more mature than you…and more well-behaved!

            And you seriously call yourself HUMBLE??? Where on earth did you get that idea? Who’s been lying to you? You’re the most self-congratulatory, puffed up popinjay I’ve ever run across. You post your alleged accomplishments in nearly every post, pat yourself on the back over every imagined accomplishment, and pointlessly, repeatedly, insult everyone who disagrees with you, without ever actually showing the intellectual honesty to discuss a single topic.

            No, Ron. You’re delusional. You are nothing even close to civil, mature, or humble. Not by a LONG shot. If you feel that you are ANY of those things, prove me wrong. Answer the simplest question I’ve put to you: Was Joseph Smith a prophet? Simple “yes/no” question.

            Your turn.

          • RonMar

            Of course my behavior is civil. Yours is gross, boring and silly, your questions loaded and designed to prompt endless argument about your nonsense of acting like an American Taliban, an Islamic jihadist attacking Christians, Christianity and certain denominations you have chosen to attack.
            You are going to Hell for your behaviors pet. That ought to be your main concern and focus of 100% of your attention until you get well.
            What a clown you are, commenting on my joke of humility. You are so wound up, angry, busting so hard to prove something, you have no sense of humor. How pathetically sad for you.
            Humility, by the way, is for those who need it. I don’t need it. It serves me no purpose. You need it but don’t have it. You are so arrogant and ignorant as a matter of fact that you are guaranteeing you are going to Hell for your behaviors.
            Just in case you missed it, pet, you are going to Hell. You can take up your pathetic bashing and arguing endlessly there. Oh wait, no you can’t, not if you still hold to the SDA belief that people burn up in Hell not for eternity.

          • petroskhan

            Your behavior is civil? We must have vastly differing ideas on what “civil” means, then, brother. I hold out the hand of friendship to you, and invite you repeatedly to discuss Biblical topics in a friendly and brotherly fashion, and your response is to hurl insults and hatred at me. “Civil”…by whose definition, Attila the Hun?
            I exhort people to read the Bible, and your response is to call me, repeatedly, an Islamic jihadist…and you have the gall to call me silly? Check the mirror, brother. Check the mirror.

            And how are my questions loaded? Taking the Joseph Smith question as an example, how is it loaded, exactly? Either the man was a prophet, and the religion he founded valid, or he was NOT a prophet, and the religion he founded is false. Answer the question, and stop avoiding it like a scared little girl. Try being a man for a change, brother. You might enjoy it.

            “You’re going to Hell for your behaviors…” Really, Ron. Your invented internet persona of some sort of Minister is going to fail horribly and laughingly if you persit in violating some of the most basic tenets of the Bible.

            “Humility, by the way, is for those who need it. I don’t need it. It serves me no purpose. ”
            Really? Is that what you learned from the “seminary” from which you supposedly graduated? The Bible says you’re a liar, Ronnie-boy. Proof:

            1 Peter 5:6
            Humble yourselves, therefore, under the mighty hand of God so that at the proper time he may exalt you,

            Philippians 2:3
            Do nothing from rivalry or conceit, but in humility count others more significant than yourselves.

            James 4:6
            But he gives more grace. Therefore it says, “God opposes the proud, but gives grace to the humble.”

            Matthew 23:12
            Whoever exalts himself will be humbled, and whoever humbles himself will be exalted.

            2 Chronicles 7:14
            If my people who are called by my name humble themselves, and pray and seek my face and turn from their wicked ways, then I will hear from heaven and will forgive their sin and heal their land.

            Colossians 3:12
            Put on then, as God’s chosen ones, holy and beloved, compassionate hearts, kindness, humility, meekness, and patience,

            Psalms 25:9 He leads the humble in what is right, and teaches the humble his way.

            Strange that I would know this, while an alleged “Minister” does not. You have a great need for humility, brother. Your arrogance and foolish pride do not serve you at all, and lead you down a dangerous path.

            “…you are going to Hell.” You know that for a fact, or is that just you assuming a mantle of authority that doesn’t belong to you…again? A minister would know the dangers of passing judgment, Ron. Even as someone pretending to be one, you should know that. Examples that your “seminary education” might have skipped:

            Matthew 7:1-5
            “Judge not, that you be not judged. For with the judgment you pronounce you will be judged, and with the measure you use it will be measured to you. Why do you see the speck that is in your brother’s eye, but do not notice the log that is in your own eye? Or how can you say to your brother, ‘Let me take the speck out of your eye,’ when there is the log in your own eye? You hypocrite, first take the log out of your own eye, and then you will see clearly to take the speck out of your brother’s eye.

            Luke 6:37
            “Judge not, and you will not be judged; condemn not, and you will not be condemned; forgive, and you will be forgiven;

            Romans 2:1-3
            Therefore you have no excuse, O man, every one of you who judges. For in passing judgment on another you condemn yourself, because you, the judge, practice the very same things. We know that the judgment of God rightly falls on those who practice such things. Do you suppose, O man—you who judge those who practice such things and yet do them yourself—that you will escape the judgment of God?

            Again, I exhort you, brother, to turn from your vanity and arrogance, and humble yourself before God.
            Again, I hold out my hand to you in friendship and brotherhood, and enjoin you to take part in a true, Christian discussion of Scriptural matters. Your constant violent, hateful attitude ill befits a follower of Christ, and will only serve to lead you astray.

          • RonMar

            Yes, my behavior is civil, decent, well motivated and intended to help. Yours is mean, hateful, Satan-driven and intended to hurt. So, yes again, we do have vastly differing ideas, and I am not your brother, not by any stretch of your polluted imagination.
            You hold out a hand hoping to suck people into a debate with you, an endless and pointless one about interpretations and opinions. Your interpretations are those of an untrained, uneducated in the subject buffoon, mine are those of a called by the Lord, God, equipped in all ways possible, ordained and serving in ministries to which I am called an equipped. So my aces trump your deuces every time. It’s that simple and clear to all but other Satan-driven, pretend Christians behaving like an Islamic jihadist as you persist in doing, although you have been told, indeed warned repeatedly of the consequences for you.
            That points to your insanity – tendencies to suicide as a danger to your self and others, and attempts to project your attitudes, traits and behaviors onto others, along with your coupling and joining in groups with other unbelievers and attackers of Christians, Christianity and certain denominations you have chosen to criticize.

            Joseph Smith called himself a prophet and was so recognized by enough people for a Christian denomination to have been formed and sustained. So also is the case similar with Ellen G. White and others as you well know if you know anything at all and are capable of dealing with any truth, facts, real history and current events.
            What you or I believe about Joseph Smith matters little-not at all. You go right ahead and attack him and his followers. Don’t expect me to join you or take any side other than to keep telling you what you are clearly ldoing – behaving like an Islamic jihadist.
            You challenging my manhood is laughable, given our proven track records available publicly, my pet. Your petty, childish, school yard name calling bully tactics don’t work with me. I have dealt with people like you since my youth. They always lost; I always won. The reasons for those truths and facts are clear to anyone with a brain functioning above reptilian level, so I understand why you don’t get it and persist in your failed behaviors.

            My call to ministry, equipping including graduation from seminary and service to the Lord as an ordained minister are not for a lowlife like you to question, but continue if and as you wish. As I have told you repeatedly your opinions matter not one whit to me in that area.
            Keep your Scripture pills, your proof-texted Scriptures as you misuse the Bible under the influence of Satan as you are. You so obviously don’t have the slightest idea what was going on in those Scriptures for them even to be written. A hint: Some one with authority was teaching others. Du-uh.

            proud, but gives grace to the humble.”
            LOL. You imagine this statement of yours reflects your humility: “Strange that I would know this, while an alleged “Minister” does not …..” LOL. You are really insane.
            You challenged authority of the SDA church, then left because you could not have your way. How is that working out for you MadManpetro? LOL.

            You don’t “exhort” me you pathetic thing. You have no authority or calling to exhort anyone.
            I am not interested in your fake friendship or brotherhood. Get thee behind me Satan. Do your Islamic jihad thing and pay the price.

            It is not possible for you to discuss something you do not understand in the least, have no training to do so and really no interest in learning. Your self-assumed role is as the teacher an preacher. LOL. Count your following petroskham. The answer is right in your silly face.

          • petroskhan

            “Yes, my behavior is civil, decent, well motivated and intended to help. Yours is mean, hateful, Satan-driven and intended to hurt.”
            Really? You call me a hell-bound, Satan-serving idiot, and think it civil?
            I call you a brother, and constantly implore you to join me in a civil, insult-free discussion, and I’m being “mean, hateful, Satan-driven..”?
            Yeah, we sure do use definitions. Of course, mine is based on the real world, while yours is based on…I don’t even know.
            “You hold out a hand hoping to suck people into a debate with you, an endless and pointless one about interpretations and opinions.”
            Nope. I don’t have opinions, and don’t interpret. I have conclusions based on facts, and clearly written Scripture. That’s it.
            “Joseph Smith called himself a prophet and was so recognized by enough people for a Christian denomination to have been formed and sustained.”
            Same goes for Buddha, Mohammed and others obviously misguided. Do you embrace those ideologies as well? Or is the simple fact of calling a religion “Christian” enough for you to condone paganism and idolatry? .
            “What you or I believe about Joseph Smith matters little-not at all.”
            Wrong. It is our duty as followers of Christ to exhort others to find the truth, not let them be led astray by false doctrines and fasle prophets. How can you lead people to the truth, when you won’t even answer a simple question regarding a man’s qualifications?
            “You challenging my manhood is laughable, given our proven track records available publicly, my pet.”
            Two things. One…you’re a coward, not daring to debate with someone whose qualifications you claim to hold in such low esteem. Two, I question the manhood of any doddering curmudgeon who makes repeated homosexual advances towards me.

            “I have dealt with people like you since my youth. They always lost; I always won.”

            No…you’ve never “dealt” with anyone like me. You may have encountered people who questioned you, or called you wrong, and you’ve responded with your usual insults, avoidance, and threats of legal action. But that’s not “winning”, brother. That’s hiding. That’s cowardice, and deceit. You should be ashamed of yourself, and find the courage to actually demonstrate that you can defend your stance with logic, reason and facts, rather than resort to attempted bullying, insults, and other grossly un-Christian behavior.
            Sadly, from your behavior, I doubt that will ever happen. You live in fear and anger, and they are too much a part of you for you to simply let them go. You do, however, have my pity, brother. I will pray that you someday find the strength to let them go, and find the joy that comes from treating people with respect and love, rather than hatred.

            “You challenged authority of the SDA church, then left because you could not have your way. How is that working out for you..?”
            I didn’t challenge the authority; if your memory were a touch better, you’d recall that. I challenged their apathetic stand towards pagan festivals. I challenged the wisdom of putting the words of a demonstrably false prophet ahead of the Word of God. I left because I chose to NOT be a party to paganism. Try to remember that for next time, would you? Write it down, maybe. And as for how it’s working out, it’s going wonderfully, actually. Thank you for your concern.

            “Do your Islamic jihad thing and pay the price.”
            And yet AGAIN with the “Islamic” silliness. How about, just for ONCE, you actually state what is so “Islamic” about telling people to read the Bible? How about that? Or would that be too difficult for you? Or maybe it would require you to actually produce something factual, intelligent, and honest…things to which you seem to be fatally allergic.

            “It is not possible for you to discuss something you do not understand in the least, have no training to do so…”
            Then what are you so afraid of? Pick any topic I’ve presented, and show us all how much more you know than I. But we both know you won’t, since the very idea terrifies you, as it would lead to you being pubicly humiliated and revealed to be the fraud you are. Minister, my backside. You’re a phony. A fraud and a liar, with no more religious education than a houseplant. I am sorry for being so harsh, but you clearly demonstrate no Christian traits whatsoever, least of all those of a Minister.

            “Count your following petroskham. The answer is right in your silly face.”
            Ah, yes…the “numbers equals truth” ploy. By that measure, Obama is a great president, Communism a great form of government…right? Perhaps you’ve never read this verse:
            “For the gate is small and the way is narrow that leads to life, and there are few who find it.” (Matt. 7:14)

            I pray that someday you will learn humility, and cast aside your hatred and your arrogance, brother. I pray that you find peace in your heart, and cast aside your anger.

          • RonMar

            You, pathetic thing, show yourself to be as dense as a block of lead and just as useful to a drowning person in deep water. Of course, my calling you what you are is an act of kindness, Christian love and caring. I speak truth. You lie when you call me brother, implore to ensnare as you have been seen to do others less aware than me. Your “real world” is that of Satan as Satan shows it to you.
            Exactly how “civil” do you imagine you are being as you attack like an Islamic jihadist Christians, Christianity, and the denominations you have chosen to attack, e.g., Catholics, Seventh-Day Adventists, Jehovah’s Witnesses and the Church of Jesus Christ of the Latter-Day Saints?
            Are you even aware of what you said about me telling you I am a Protestant? That covers a lot of denominations, petroskham, fyi. Are you ever aware of what you say? How it looks and sounds to other people? Exactly how out of it are you?
            Among your great flaws you imagine the Bible justifies your Satanic, jihadist behaviors but condemns the behaviors of others including me. In other words, my pet, you are one sick, little puppy bound for Hell by your own design.
            Obviously you don’t know the differences among facts vs. interpretations and opinions. In other words you are a right idiot with no glimmer of understanding of much of anything..
            How revealing that you compare Smith with Buddha and of all people Muhammad – the latter that you are following as one of his jihadists.
            It is not your duty to attack Christians unless you are an Islamic jihadist serving Allah and His Prophet.

            Try, please just try to think about how foolish it sounds of you and what it is going to do against you at judgments for you to call me – a combat-disabled, decorated for valor 3x over, minister of the Lord serving right now in the Middle East – a coward from wherever you are. The mental image is astounding to anyone who has a brain functioning above your reptilian level.

            Tell me any point to a debate with you. What is to be gained or lost? I see it as nothing but more of a waste of time. You have no – zero, nada, zip – qualifications on what you want to debate. Deal with it. Go get yourself equipped and come back in 7 or more years from now and challenge me to debate. Then you might be minimally ready.

            “doddering curmudgeon” – You must be describing yourself. “makes … homosexual advances towards” you? Muhahahahahaha, LOL. You are sicker than I know you to be, willfully ignorant going to stupid, arrogant and a homosexual too. You really take the cake, petroskham.
            Tell me, please, what you imagine makes you so different, unique even, from any other mentally limited, obnoxious, creepy putz.
            FYI, I enjoy conversation with worthy people who question me. You simply do not qualify.
            I have no interest in winning with you. I certainly do not hide from you. You object that I initiate posts to you in response to your stupid posts. Make up your head, boy.

            I am sure you know “cowardice, and deceit” well since you personify both in your posts, shame too, no courage to face what you are actually doing.
            Logic, reason and facts are foreign to you and hurtful to you in every instance.
            I remind you, you are not my judge or the judge of anyone else, but you will be judged, and woe unto you at your judgment.

            Oh yeah, sure, I’m living in fear here in the Middle East as a witness of the Lord, God, Jesus the Christ, and so angry. LOL.

            Your pity – LOL. Brother – LOL. You pray for me – LOL. Strength – you have none. Joy, you claim to have and share joy – Muhahhahahahahaha, LOL. You are mad as a hatter and overflowing with hate, a bile that infects you from the inside and spills out of you like toxic waste.
            petroskham there is nothing about you to respect; to love you requires great effort and focus on the Lord. It would be much easier to despise you as the despicable creature you have become or may have been all of your life.

            You told your story. I repeat it back to you. You can’t change the story you told because you don’t like how the feedback sounds to you. You are stuck with your own testimony, a liar of the first order, braggart, blowhard or some combination of all that. You tell me, what is it? Are you or are you not still a member of the SDA Church, a local church, in attendance on a regular basis or not??????

            You attack Christians, Christianity and certain denominations you have selected to attack like an Islamic jihadist. You write that down, pet. I assure you it is in the Book of Life as charges against you, and if you know anything about Christianity you know I am telling the truth while you are lying, living in denial and on your way to Hell.

            How dare you use words like “factual, intelligent, and
            honest” as you try projecting again, showing your insanity again.
            No, you pick a topic, present your views completely and all the support you can muster for them from the Bible or any other sources. I will decide then to rip your arguments to shreds or to continue to ignore your silly challenges.

            Why do you insist on comparing yourself with others, with me? Do you have a clue what Jesus said about that?
            Me terrified of you, you humiliating anyone but yourself – muhahahahahahahaha, LOL. Me, a fraud? Hello petroskham! unchurched, lost, rushing to Hell as hard and fast as you can go.

            You are all backside pet, and everything you call me in your attacks on me as a Christian minister of the Lord, God serving right now in the mission field in ministry.

            You are sorry – period.

            So, did you count your followers. If so what is the number?
            YGTBSM-S=Spoofing, saying I have not read a verse in the Bible. You are so nuts. I have read the Bible more times than I can count, read it daily, several times a day, shared it with millions and continue doing so as they heed and come to Jesus. I understand and use the Bible as God intended it to be used and understood, pet. You don’t do any of that.
            Your prayers are even done in sin. The one who should be humbling himself is you. So also casting aside your hatred, arrogance and serving of Satan like an atheist and Islamic jihadist.
            But, alas, you refuse to get it. Too bad for you. Hell awaits you to burn you to nothing left.
            Count these things: How many times have we done this? How many more times do you want to do it? How many more times do you imagine I will do it with you? Why should anyone engage in pointless prattling like you do and want so badly as you show you do?

          • petroskhan

            “my calling you what you are is an act of kindness, Christian love and caring.”

            No, Ron. It’s not loving or caring. Let’s be honest. It’s anger, and hostility. It’s intended to cause offense, and make you feel better about yourself. But that’s okay. I don’t mind it. I’m sure you feel justified. I disagree, but you are responsible for your actions, as I am for mine.

            “You lie when you call me brother, implore to ensnare as you have been seen to do others less aware than me.”

            No, yet again. You ARE my brother, as is everyone else, Ron. Whether or not you are capable of seeing it is up to you. Apparently, you are not, but perhaps later on wisdom and humility will come to your aid, and you will change your hateful attitude to one of peace and love for others, modeling yourself after the Christ you claim to serve.

            And as for “attacking” the various denominations you cite, I readily admit that I have, and will, critize those who claim to serve and honor Christ while teaching and promoting doctrines that are insupportable by Scripture. It’s astonishing to me that you, who claim to be educated in Biblical matters, and a minister at that, have a problem with exhorting people to read, study and follow the Bible, rather than false doctrines that place their Salvation in jeopardy.

            To make it simple…if you saw someone smoking, would you offer him a light, or tell him that cigarettes were bad for him? If you saw a child about to open a bottle of pills, would stop him, or allow to make his own choices? It’s the same thing, only FAR more is at stake. We are, all of us, as Christians, not only responsible for our own Salvation, but for that of others. If we see someone doing something that is wrong, something against the Bible, it is our duty to correct that behavior. To do otherwise is to be complicit in their sin, to endorse it by our silence.

            I am, Ron, being very serious and honest with you now. I understand that you don’t like seeing faiths criticized. But by allowing people to pursue and believe in doctrines that are provably contrary to the Bible, and defending such, that makes you, personally, responsible. How can you defend supporting religions that hold to doctrines that are counter to the Bible?
            You listed “Catholics, Seventh-Day Adventists, Jehovah’s Witnesses and the Church of Jesus Christ of the Latter-Day Saints.” Right?

            Okay, the Catholics – Catholics hold MANY doctrines that are counter to the Bible. The perpetual virginity of Mary, her status as redemptrix, the calling of the Pope “Holy Father”, etc. Would you support those things, among the others that they hold to which are in direct opposition to Scripture?

            Seventh-Day Adventists – They hold the writings of Ellen White, an easily demonstrated false prophet, to be of greater import than the Bible. Could you support and defend such a stance?

            Jehovah’s Witnesses – They have actually altered the words of Scripture to match their doctrine, in numerous places, and hold to the belief that Christ did NOT rise bodily from the dead, and was NOT the Son of God. Can you support that?

            Mormons – They believe that all other religions (that would include YOURS) are false and corrupted. They believe that God was once a man, and “ascended”, as did innumerable other “gods”; that Satan is Christ’s “spirit brother”, and that Joseph Smith was a true prophet, even though he made MANY prophecies that failed to come true, and the Book of Mormon is in direct opposition to the Bible in many, many places. Can you support their ideologies?

            You see, brother..it’s our DUTY to show people the truth, not to let them continue to believe in lies. It’s our responsibility to help find truth, not support and condone the falsehoods to which they’ve fallen prey. If you truly care about the salvation of others (and I will concede that you may very well have that in your heart), isn’t telling people the truth more important than possibly hurting their feelings for a moment or two?

            “Try, please just try to think about how foolish it sounds of you and what it is going to do against you at judgments for you to call me – a combat-disabled, decorated for valor 3x over, minister of the Lord serving right now in the Middle East – a coward from wherever you are.”

            You know…I don’t think me calling you coward is going to have any effect come Judgment Day. You know why? It’s real simple. I shouldn’t have done that. I don’t stand by that, I retract it, and apologize for every time I fell victim to baser impulses like anger and called you that. It was out of line, and won’t happen again. Furthermore, if you did indeed serve in the armed forces, then you are to be thanked most heartily for your valuable service to our country. Our freedom has always been purchased and secured by the service of those willing to place their lives between us and the threats against us. Far too little is done to recompense those who have done so; the least we can do as Americans is to extend our thanks.
            You see…it’s actually pretty easy for me to admit when I’ve erred, and extend the hand of friendship towards others, even when I’ve been on the receiving end of the sort of barrage of denigration I’ve received from you. But, as I’ve said, I have NO hard feelings towards you, and wish that we could hold a reasonable and reasoned discourse on Scriptural matters. I firmly believe that we could both gain by it, and perhaps others as well…who knows?
            “You attack Christians, Christianity and certain denominations…”
            I don’t attack Christians. I criticize those POSING as Christians, who spread and/or support false doctrines that are contrary to Biblical doctrine. If you have a problem with me doing that, I’m willing to discuss it in a reasonable and mutually respectful tone.
            There is no winning or losing to be had here, brother. There is only getting to truth. There is no fight here, neither an enemy to defeat nor a victory to claim. The only thing I am holding forth to you is an invitation to a dialog on Biblical matters. From this post onward, that is all I will write to you, or about you. If you’re up for it, so am I. If you don’t want to, go in peace, with the knowledge that I bear you no ill will, and never will.
            God Bless.

          • RonMar

            Blather on. You are lost. I know it, but sadly you do not. FYI, I am not a Liberal Loon or atheist. I do not argue endlessly since there is no point to it. Buh-bye again, baby.

          • petroskhan

            So, no factual, cogent reply to anything I’ve said will be forthcoming, then? Merely more of your Un-Christian posturing and insults?
            …sigh…
            Once again, I forgive you, brother, for your hostility and insults. May the Lord guide you to the peace I have found in following His Will, and following His Word.
            My invitation to you, and my friendship, are still there for you, as are my prayers for your well-being.
            God Bless, brother.

          • RonMar

            GFY, and you know what I mean.

          • petroskhan

            And again, no reasoned, rational response?
            You are, I am sorry to say, brother, a very poor example of a Christian, with your violent hatred, and constant hostility.
            But, as I said before, I forgive you, and will pray for you to achieve greater wisdom and learn to conduct yourself with humility and friendship towards others.

            God Bless.

          • RonMar

            You, of course, are blathering nonsense. You have no measure of how many people who have crossed paths with me and their experiences from the crossing. You are one of those behaving like an Islamic jihadist attacking Christians and Christianity, in your case women in particular.

          • PreacherCruz

            Bodey, I saw and I hope you don’t mind that I also took the liberty to use the shameful, cruel and possibly DEMONIC attacks RonMar leveled against use in using your loss against you like some sort of spiritual 2×4 That was part of the reason I decided to go after him with everything I am and have. I will not let him abuse people like this anymore.
            Here is just a snippet of my response to you that I will be sharing with EVERYONE from “Don’t Feed the Trolls: A Response to my “Friend” RonMar… http://www.kjv-truth-ministries.org/?p=1127

            Here is what little is known about RonMar from his own blurb or about on Disqus….

            “Retired US military officer with 21 years active duty, 38 years total in uniform. University assistant professor, teacher in various disciplines including aviation, boating, history, leadership and management. Graduate degree in counseling psychology, trained, certified and practiced counselor. Professional writer and editor. Founded and served as CEO of several, diverse, small businesses, all successful. Saved at age 14, called to ministry in 2000, seminary graduate, ordained, working minister and missionary particularly to Muslims and others in the Middle East and here, soldier in the Army of God resisting attacks on Christians and Christianity, minister to less fortunate people. Son of a WWII veteran, father of two sons – an attorney, and a retired AF fighter pilot. Two grandchildren.”

            Oh, my goodness! He IS accomplished but that’s nothing just wait until you see him walk on water whilst turning it into wine AND bottling it! I’m surprised he didn’t say he also had the Congressional Medal of Honor, a Nobel Peace Prize and had been Times man of the year TWICE, he was named Sexiest Man Alive in 1946 & 47 and Sexiest Woman also in 1947! He is the currently reigning three time world (MMA) Mixed Martial Arts Champion, currently serves as Vice President of the United Sates, currently holds the Guiness books world record for most words typed whilst simultaneously patting yourself on the back with both hands, and has never failed at anything except finding anyone else half as perfect, righteous and talented as himself. Also, he displayed great promise as a musician while playing the Kazoo at seven years old and undoubtedly could have been a musical prodigy had he not been so damn busy running his first successful business, a paper route. Notice something odd here though? Since he never uses his real name or says WHERE he ministers, who ordained him, where he went to college or seminary, where he supposedly teaches what businesses he supposedly founded or was CEO of we have NO way of knowing what if ANYTHING he posts about himself is true. Funny how THAT works isn’t it.

            People should treat each other with decency and respect because it’s the RIGHT thing to do but when you grow up in Detroit you also learn that you better watch who you mess with because some people you just don’t want to push too far and for ME, the edge was watching how RonMar treats EVERYONE with whom he disagrees. I will not back down and I will not show any fear of him as GOD is on my side.

            I will Blacklist him and I will not read ANYTHING he says but I will be sharing this page with EVERYONE and we will see if “RonMar” ever dares do ANYTHING about it.

          • Bodey043

            Thank you PreacherCruz. I have no fear of Ronald Marlar. I have no problem revealing who he is in reality. Unfortunately, I know he has spoken at a seminary of which I have been associated. I’m convinced Ron mistakes taking a class or seminar at an institution as having a degree from that institution.

            But perhaps my favorite flaw from Ron is repeated timetables. Forums such as this did not exist 30+ years ago in the format they do today.

            He is a charlatan. If he has donors for anything he is supposedly undertaking, they have been duped to pay for a fool’s gallivanting around where ever he claims to be.

            Ron is fond of using any personal information he gains as a weapon. One may say it is his true calling card. Ron will have to dig a whole lot deeper in order to hurt me. I have the Savior as my Rock and the Spirit of God as my Comforter.

            Truthfully, Ron is little more than a diversion and a bit of entertainment. The real damage is that which he does to the cause of Christ by being hate filled, advocating for “extra-Biblical” beliefs, and using language which is unbecoming.

            God bless!

          • RonMar

            I remember you. I have not boasted but rather simply posted my qualifications and shared experiences to let you and others know I speak with some authority.
            Those of you joining in criticism of certain denominations, Christians and Christianity are doing much worse than giving Christianity a black eye. You are in fact behaving like Islamic jihadists and at the lest aiding, abetting and supporting them in your and their attacks on Christians and Christianity.
            None of you have any justification whatsoever for criticizing any Christian, Christians or Christianity in public.

          • PreacherCruz

            It seems to every one else that practically ALL you do is boast of yourself. your qualifications, your superiority, your righteousness etc etc. I’m sorry but you ONLY speak with authority where your words line up with SCRIPTURE after that you assume an authority you do not have as once you have spoken it is still up to the INDIVIDUAL to listen or not and the Holy Spirit that does the work.

            You LOVE to question the authority of everyone else but assert that YOU speak from authority when you routinely refuse to answer the same critiques and questions you level at others.

            I fear there is really nothing we can say to each other. Gods word makes QUITE clear what is and is not Christian. Calling oneself Christian doesn’t make it so and groups can cloak themselves in “Christ” all they like but if their teaching doesn’t align with Gods word; they are FALSE prophets..

            YOU say we don’t have any justification for judging any Christian/s then you proceed to do it to us many times over…. YOU are right with God, Ordained, Anointed, Educated all to be our shepherd and if we refuse to cooperate, you’re fully justified in mocking us, calling us names and generally conducting yourself like a schoolyard bully.

            Do you argue with Scripture? We DO, have not only the authority but the RESPONSIBILITY to test our institutions and leaders..

            Acts 17:11 These were more noble than those in Thessalonica, in that they received the word with all readiness of mind, and searched the scriptures daily, whether those things were so.

            Galatians 1:6-9 I marvel that ye are so soon removed from him that called you into the grace of Christ unto another gospel: Which is not another; but there be some that trouble you, and would pervert the gospel of Christ. But though we, or an angel from heaven, preach any other gospel unto you than that which we have preached unto you, let him be accursed. As we said before, so say I now again, if any man preach any other gospel unto you than that ye have received, let him be accursed.

            Matthew 7:15-16 Beware of false prophets, which come to you in sheep’s clothing, but inwardly they are ravening wolves. Ye shall know them by their fruits. Do men gather grapes of thorns, or figs of thistles?

            2 Peter 2:1-3 But there were false prophets also among the people, even as there shall be false teachers among you, who privily shall bring in damnable heresies, even denying the Lord that bought them, and bring upon themselves swift destruction. And many shall follow their pernicious ways; by reason of whom the way of truth shall be evil spoken of. And through covetousness shall they with feigned words make merchandise of you: whose judgment now of a long time lingereth not, and their damnation slumbereth not.

            1 John 4:1-3 Beloved, believe not every spirit, but try the spirits whether they are of God: because many false prophets are gone out into the world. Hereby know ye the Spirit of God: Every spirit that confesseth that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh is of God: And every spirit that confesseth not that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh is not of God: and this is that spirit of antichrist, whereof ye have heard that it should come; and even now already is it in the world.
            ANY person or group that teaches that Jesus is not God, that we need anything OTHER than the bible to know him and his will for our lives or that we will become Gods or ANYTHING, whatever contrary to scripture is NOT Christian no matter how many times they say it. I don’t know why ANY Bible believing Christian would pretend otherwise….

          • RonMar

            What you do is boast and try to project your faults, flaws, traits and behaviors onto others – a sure sign of your insanity. You are right, there is nothing we can say to each other, and it is improper and inappropriate for you to be saying things about me to others. You are only trying to defame my character, harm me and my ministry, and I do have legal recourse to protect me from people like you and your hostile behaviors.

          • PreacherCruz

            . You will ignore the 1 Corinthians 6:1-8

            6 Dare any of you, having a matter against another, go to law before the unjust, and not before the saints?

            2 Do ye not know that the saints shall judge the world? and if the world shall be judged by you, are ye unworthy to judge the smallest matters?

            3 Know ye not that we shall judge angels? how much more things that pertain to this life?

            4 If then ye have judgments of things pertaining to this life, set them to judge who are least esteemed in the church.

            5 I speak to your shame. Is it so, that there is not a wise man among you? no, not one that shall be able to judge between his brethren?

            6 But brother goeth to law with brother, and that before the unbelievers.

            7 Now therefore there is utterly a fault among you, because ye go to law one with another. Why do ye not rather take wrong? why do ye not rather suffer yourselves to be defrauded?

            8 Nay, ye do wrong, and defraud, and that your brethren.

            There is NOTHING we can say to each other because YOU think you’re perfect and that NO one can tell you or teach you ANYTHING, least of all Scripture apparently, since you IGNORE every piece of scripture placed out to defend the fact that there IS a Biblical foundation for judging Christian organizations and leaders. We don’t get to pick and choose which scripture we will live by and listen to.

            6 Dare any of you, having a matter against another, go to law before the unjust, and not before the saints?

            2 Do ye not know that the saints shall judge the world? and if the world shall be judged by you, are ye unworthy to judge the smallest matters?

            3 Know ye not that we shall judge angels? how much more things that pertain to this life?

            4 If then ye have judgments of things pertaining to this life, set them to judge who are least esteemed in the church.

            5 I speak to your shame. Is it so, that there is not a wise man among you? no, not one that shall be able to judge between his brethren?

            6 But brother goeth to law with brother, and that before the unbelievers.

            7 Now therefore there is utterly a fault among you, because ye go to law one with another. Why do ye not rather take wrong? why do ye not rather suffer yourselves to be defrauded?

            8 Nay, ye do wrong, and defraud, and that your brethren.

            I am sure you justify CONSTANTLY threatening to sue professing believers by imagining that we are all NOT Christians. Funny that since you tell everyone else they can’t judge Christians. Physician HEAL thyself. Hold yourself to the standard you expect of others and you would not post HALF of what you do.

            PLEASE sue me as this proves you are NO Christian at all There is NOTHING we can say to each other because YOU think you’re perfect and that NO one can tell you or teach you ANYTHING least of all Scripture apparently since you I will be GLAD to make you and your so called representatives look foolish in court should you wish to pursue that un-Scriptural approach. Just as I’ve done here and am about to do again. HOW can I hurt your ministry? I don’t know who you are or where you are my words are directed to people ALREADY discussing you and not strangers or your “parishioners”. You also IGNORE the fact that I’ve got proof of DOZENS of times that you’ve insulted me, my ministry and my family name and on and on…
            So who is defaming whom and WHO is insane?

            PLEASE….

            STOP pretending to be the big important man and either read your Bible and OBEY it or COME on down to central Indiana and sue me and waste your time! I am not hiding behind internet anonymity. You can easily find me.
            Since you insist upon on acting like a child…………

            I will treat you like a child and rebuke you PUBLICLY.

            IF you respond to me even ONE more time I will post a shout out containing this post with your name on it addressed to ANYONE who knows you. I fear neither man nor what man can do to me
            and certainly not a proven braggart who is all boast and no bite of ANY kind.
            I will no longer wish you Gods blessings or good day as you deserve nothing but the shunning of all Christians until you repent of your childish, abusive and deplorable conducts. Many of us have tried a friendly approach and it has become worse than talking to the fool who denies God. you CLAIM to believe in and serve the same God we do and then you refuse to debate using his word or hold yourself accountable TO it.
            So, good riddance I guess. Unlike YOU, I DO have more pressing matters of ministry for the Lord to tend to.

          • RonMar

            You are not qualified to teach me, PreacherBoy. You have no qualifications for the ministry you inherited if I recall your story correctly. You are the false prophet and a money-grubber abusing and misusing God’s Holy Word. Tell me, boy, what was Paul’s view on taking money for his service as Apostle to the Gentiles which eventually cost him his life?

          • petroskhan

            “None of you have any justification whatsoever for criticizing any Christian, Christians or Christianity in public.”

            The Bible disagrees with you, Ron. Ergo, so do I.

          • RonMar

            No, the Bible does not disagree with me. You disagree with the Bible by picking and choosing – proof texting – what you want to use in attempts to justify what you do – act like an Islamic jihadist attacking Christianity – certain denominations – and Christians.

            No one, least of all God, called or appointed you to the role you have chosen for yourself.

            You are not trained formally in the Bible, e.g., in seminary.
            You are not an ordained minister.
            You left the Seventh-Day Adventist – entire denomination – and one of its local churches after sending a long letter to them objecting to their observing the birth of Jesus the Christ – Christmas – and His resurrection – Easter.
            You do not attend church. You are unchurched. You meet with a few others in your home.

            This is all according to your own posts online, and there is more, much more.

            Thus, you have no justification whatsoever for criticizing any Christian, Christians or Christianity in public.

          • petroskhan

            Hmm…let me see if I can sum up what you’re saying…

            No man-made organization has “authorized” me to know what’s in the Bible.

            I left a church because they participated in pagan rituals.
            I do not participate in any large services (which observe pagan rituals).

            Because of those reasons, I can’t know what’s in the Bible, or tell others what it says…is that about it, Ron?

            Oh, and once again, you avoid (with great devotion) citing a single example of HOW I am acting like a Muslim when telling people to read and follow the Bible. I do so hope you realize that until you do so, you are looking like a complete tool. No offense, you understand, it’s just that I am answering your statements, providing support for what I say each time it’s requested, and yet…you refuse to substantiate your allegation with a single piece of proof.

            Makes you look a bit false, you know? Sort of like you have no clue what you’re talking about. Not sure what mail-order diploma mill handed you your “authority”, but it seems like an education in the Bible wasn’t actually part of the curriculum.

          • RonMar

            No, you got it wrong again as always.That is not at all what I said. I will repeat for you what I actually said and add some further attempts to explain to you the gross errors of your ways:

            – You are “act[ing] like an Islamic jihadist attacking Christianity – certain denominations – and Christians.”
            - “No one, least of all God, called or appointed you to the role you have chosen for yourself.” God is the judge of all and retains that judgeship wanting no help from you in it. it’s in the Bible in several passages. Look it up.
            - “You are not trained formally in the Bible, e.g., in seminary.
            You are not an ordained minister.” – You lack the equipping to do what you imagine you are doing. You have no authority to do it.
            - “You left the Seventh-Day Adventist – entire denomination – and one of its local churches after sending a long letter to them objecting to their observing the birth of Jesus the Christ – Christmas – and His resurrection – Easter.” You are an egotistical, self-important, arrogant and ignorant person who imagines himself far superior to others, a holier than thou person on the attack against people of authority and other Christians, the latter like an Islamic jihadist.
            - “You do not attend church. You are unchurched. You meet with a few others in your home.” You lack the usual and expected in the Bible accountability to others of like-minded beliefs. In other words you are a radical like an Islamic jihadist.
            - “This is all according to your own posts online, and there is more, much more.” You have built your own nest and now wallow in it.
            “Thus, you have no justification whatsoever for criticizing any Christian, Christians or Christianity in public.” Here’s your Scripture pill as you would give to others – John 8:7.

            You are the one looking like a fool. You are denying the clear evidence I have given you of your behavior being like that of Islamic jihadists. They attack Christianity and Christians; so also do you in public. That is so wrong it will cost you dearly at your coming judgment.
            FYI, I got my seminary degree from one of the most prestigious and best known seminaries in the US and was ordained by men of God as acceptable to be one of them as was done in the Bible. You can look that up too. Some clues for you: Paul’s trip to visit with the disciples and to become one of them. His overseeing and encouragement of Timothy, etc.
            Sadly, you have set yourself on a path and have so mired yourself in it you refuse to see the errors of your ways, repent and be restored.
            Think about it. I barely know you. Why would I choose to bother with you unless my concern was for you as one who wants to be a Christian but is failing miserably at it, indeed it acting like an Islamic jihadist.
            I have your best interests at heart, have since we met online and will always because I am a called, equipped and ordained minister of the Lord with authority and the blessings of God in my work as guided by the Holy Spirit, unlike you presently.

          • petroskhan

            Again, go over some of what you’ve stated. I’m ignoring the parts that were mere repetitions of your usual…well…

            1. I don’t go to a church. So what? You didn’t answer my question regarding that matter. Why is that? Afraid to answer a simple question, Ron? I’ll repeat…if there is no church within driving distance of my home that follows the Bible, would your suggestion be to take part in a church which endorses and/or practices paganism? Answer, please.

            2. “No one, least of all God, called or appointed you to the role you have chosen for yourself.” How do YOU know, Ron? You know what God intends, what He says to me? You’re being rather presumptuous, and a bit blasphemous, you know that, right? An answer would be very helpful here, as well.

            3. “Thus, you have no justification whatsoever for criticizing any Christian, Christians or Christianity in public.” WRONG. So horribly WRONG, especially coming from someone who claims (falsely, I contend) to have graduated from a school of religious teachings. I have EVERY justification to criticize ANYONE. Especially when they claim to be Christians, and are NOT, as evidenced by their actions. The justification is in the Bible. I’d ask you to look it up, but I don’t think you even own a Bible, from your judgmental hatred, and obvious ignorance of it’s contents. So here ya go, Ronnie…2 Tim 3:16-17, “All Scripture is written by inspiration of the Holy Spirit and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness, so that the man of YAHWEH may be perfected, and complete for every good work.” Now…what was that you said about “justification”, Ron? What justification do I need other than Scripture itself, to help others see where they’re NOT following it?

            4. “…was ordained by men of God as acceptable to be one of them” My my…I’m certainly glad that you’ve sought and earned the acceptance of men, that some man-made convention of like-minded people has placed their stamp of approval on you. I, however, am walking a different path, Ron. 1Thess 2:4 illustrates the path I’ve chosen: “but even as we have been approved by YAHWEH to be entrusted with the good news, so we speak not to please men, but to please YAHWEH, the One trying our hearts.” I’m working on following the Bible, and pleasing God. When foolish, misguided men are angered by my words, which are straight from the Bible, I don’t care. It’s the approval of God I have sought my whole life, and by following His Words, I will earn it.

            Once again, in closing, Ron, I will ask the question you have avoided answering EVERY SINGLE TIME. On what Biblical topic do you say I’m wrong? How am I being so “evil” in your eyes by telling people to READ THE BIBLE and follow its teachings? Why does telling people to stick to the Bible make me an enemy of Christianity?

            Once again, and as simply as possible, just for you, Ron…I follow the BIBLE, and NOTHING ELSE. How is that wrong? Proof, if you please.

          • RonMar

            Prove yourself. Do the WORDS model and post your results here honestly for all to see. Then you and others will know the truth about you, and you can stop all the gibberish and accusations against me.

          • petroskhan

            Done, Ron. See my other post.

            And I don’t think I’ve accused you of anything. I simply point out how you’re behaving, which is to say…not very nice at all.

          • RonMar

            You are not judge of anyone or anything petro.

          • petroskhan

            I’m not judging, Ron. Just pointing to facts.

          • RonMar

            You are judging. That is wrong. It’s in the Bible in several places. Look it up.

          • petroskhan

            Prove it. Demonstrate a single thing I’ve said that passes judgment on you.

            You, on the other hand, regularly demonstrate in your posts that you feel that you possess all the authority of God Himself, deciding all by yourself who is saved, and who isn’t.

            Worry about that beam in your own eye, pal. I have only quoted what you’ve posted, and proven that you are not who or what you say you are.

          • RonMar

            YGTBSM – S=Spoofing. Your post is so disingenuous, such a lie, childish, petty and stupid I cannot believe it even from you.
            I have no more time for you this morning (for me, your evening). I far better things to be doing where I am now than continuing this ridiculous argument you are pursuing.
            You have proven only that you are not what you say you are, imagine yourself to be. You are not behaving like a Christian at all but rather like an Islamic jihadist. You will be judged on your judgment day by The Judge. I suggest you consider that carefully and prepare for it.

            God help you.

          • petroskhan

            “You will be judged on your judgment day by The Judge. I suggest you consider that carefully and prepare for it.”

            Right back at you, big guy. Right back…

          • RonMar

            I have not flagged any post here yet, no matter what lies you tell yourself first.

          • petroskhan

            It’s your story…tell it how you like.

          • RonMar

            “It’s your story…tell it how you like.” – So you are sharing one of your guiding philosophies? It is okay to lie as long as it is your story and to your advantage?

          • petroskhan

            Wrong again. I’m saying I don’t care. I don’t care what you say, what you think…anything from you is meaningless to me.

          • RonMar

            Then stop posting to me presently, right now, in this thread, and I will do likewise.

            Stop posting online spreading your hate like an Islamic jihadist, and I will never comment to, or on you and your posts. That is a fair deal.

            I will not, however, allow you or anyone else I see doing so attack Christians, Christian churches and Christianity without return resistance from me. That is one of the things the Lord has called me to do, and neither you nor anyone else will get away with it unanswered as long as I am alive and see you doing it. That also is a fair deal. You can like it or not. I serve the Lord.

            Who do you serve? Think long and heard about the question before you answer it.

          • petroskhan

            “I will not, however, allow you or anyone else I see doing so attack
            Christians, Christian churches and Christianity without return
            resistance from me.”

            Define “Christian”, and we’ll have a start.

          • PreacherCruz

            Here is just a snippet of my response to you that I will be sharing with EVERYONE from “Don’t Feed the Trolls: A Response to my “Friend” RonMar… http://www.kjv-truth-ministries.org/?p=1127

            Here is what little is known about RonMar from his own blurb or about on Disqus….

            “Retired US military officer with 21 years active duty, 38 years total in uniform. University assistant professor, teacher in various disciplines including aviation, boating, history, leadership and management. Graduate degree in counseling psychology, trained, certified and practiced counselor. Professional writer and editor. Founded and served as CEO of several, diverse, small businesses, all successful. Saved at age 14, called to ministry in 2000, seminary graduate, ordained, working minister and missionary particularly to Muslims and others in the Middle East and here, soldier in the Army of God resisting attacks on Christians and Christianity, minister to less fortunate people. Son of a WWII veteran, father of two sons – an attorney, and a retired AF fighter pilot. Two grandchildren.”

            Oh, my goodness! He IS accomplished but that’s nothing just wait until you see him walk on water whilst turning it into wine AND bottling it! I’m surprised he didn’t say he also had the Congressional Medal of Honor, a Nobel Peace Prize and had been Times man of the year TWICE, he was named Sexiest Man Alive in 1946 & 47 and Sexiest Woman also in 1947! He is the currently reigning three time world (MMA) Mixed Martial Arts Champion, currently serves as Vice President of the United Sates, currently holds the Guiness books world record for most words typed whilst simultaneously patting yourself on the back with both hands, and has never failed at anything except finding anyone else half as perfect, righteous and talented as himself. Also, he displayed great promise as a musician while playing the Kazoo at seven years old and undoubtedly could have been a musical prodigy had he not been so damn busy running his first successful business, a paper route. Notice something odd here though? Since he never uses his real name or says WHERE he ministers, who ordained him, where he went to college or seminary, where he supposedly teaches what businesses he supposedly founded or was CEO of we have NO way of knowing what if ANYTHING he posts about himself is true. Funny how THAT works isn’t it.

            People should treat each other with decency and respect because it’s the RIGHT thing to do but when you grow up in Detroit you also learn that you better watch who you mess with because some people you just don’t want to push too far and for ME, the edge was watching how RonMar treats EVERYONE with whom he disagrees. I will not back down and I will not show any fear of him as GOD is on my side.

            I will Blacklist him and I will not read ANYTHING he says but I will be sharing this page with EVERYONE and we will see if “RonMar” ever dares do ANYTHING about it.

          • petroskhan

            Yes, his list of qualifications and accolades is almost as extensive as it is vague. Almost, but not quite.

            But you know the thing I find most amusing about him? How he actually manages to toss around such judgmental comments without ever realizing for an instant that he exhibits every single distasteful and un-Christian trait of which he accuses others.

            Now, if someone were to toss my words back at me while clearly showing me where they were applicable to my behavior, or ask me the direct questions that have been asked of him by me, I would stop and consider. It would be just too darn obvious that I had crossed a line, and was in error.

            But I guess that is a trait for us mere mortals, not living legends, in whose glorious radiance we are blessed to bask.

          • RonMar

            You, like Glen Stevens – remember him? – are clueless about the differences between one called, equipped, ordained, serving in ministry, one with authority and a layperson like you are.
            You also seem to be measuring life accomplishments with your limitations as the scale. That kind of comparison will leave you well behind more energetic, capable and motivated people than you every time.

          • petroskhan

            “You, like Glen Stevens – remember him? – are clueless about the
            differences between one called, equipped, ordained, serving in ministry,
            one with authority and a layperson like you are.”

            On the contrary, brother. I am quite familiar with the differences, and well do I know the meanings of the terms.

            “Called”…well, that’s sort of up to the Lord, now, isn’t it? He knows and chooses those whom He will and will not call. The only barometer we have by which to measure others is Scripture, and that alone should be our guide.

            “Equipped” – Is the Holy Spirit with one, or is it not? Does one speak the truth, and follow in the footsteps of Christ? Then he is equipped, wouldn’t you say?

            “Ordained”. Hmm…a man made convention, and not the same in meaning in modern times as it was used in the Bible. This should illustrate rather nicely:

            “While they were worshiping the Lord and
            fasting, the Holy Spirit said, ‘Set apart for me Barnabas and Saul for the work to which I have called them.’ So after they had fasted and prayed, they placed their hands on them and sent them off. The two of them, sent on their way by the Holy Spirit, went down to Seleucia” (vv. 2-4). In this passage, we note some key facts: 1) It is God Himself who calls the men to the ministry and qualifies them with gifts (Acts 20:28; Ephesians 4:11). 2) The members of the church recognize God’s clear leading and embrace it.

            “Serving in ministry”. Well now, if you were to examine that concept closely, Brother, you would see that it simply applies to any and all who serve God by spreading His Word.

            “One with authority”. I have no authority. I freely admit it. On the other hand, neither do you, and the sooner you abandon that idea and embrace the humility and utter worthlessness of any and all human conventions, the happier you will be, and the closer to God you will become. He alone has authority, and He alone is the source of truth and good works. We can only hope to some day be deemed acceptable to Him. Anything else is sheer vanity and foolish pride.

            I am a layperson, as you put it. What of it? How many authors of how many books in the Bible, how many important figures who made contributions to the salvation of others were, as you put it, laypersons? We are all equal in the eyes of God, Brother, and you need to humble yourself, and accept His wisdom in all matters, and stop attempting to impress yourself and others with vain, human concepts of worth and authority.

            As a Christian, I accept no authority other than that which is in the Bible. You claim a great deal, and repeat over and over again, ad nauseum, your “qualifications” and expertise. With all love and friendship I truthfully tell you that I care nothing for these. If you want to impress me, demonstrate that you can and do follow the Bible and know its contents. Proclamations of your over-proven vanity will not cause me to listen to your words any more than I have to this point.

            If you truly do wish for me to heed your words, then demonstrate, as I said, that you know the Word of God as you claim to know it, and demonstrate the proper humility of which our Savior spoke so often.

            And by the way, my questions to you remain unanswered. Might I inquire as to why?

          • RonMar

            As I said, you and Glen Stevens, also your atheists buddies like Jeff Dixon are clueless about the differences. You did not have to waste your time and effort again to prove it.
            I have been around long enough, my pet, to have seen and heard every stupid thing you have said so far in your posts. You are common as mud in a monsoon season.
            For example, “equipped” includes the Holy Spirit for starters then added to by intense, focused, deliberate and graduate-level study with highly-qualified professors, etc. of the Bible, theology, church history, contemporary religions, Bible-based counseling, etc., etc., etc.
            The seminary I attended allowed 7 years for degree completion. I wanted to get on with it, so I completed in 4 years while working at 2-3 jobs. It is amazing what one can do if one tries, is motivated and capable. You, Glen and others who question my bio are judging from your limitations not objectively.
            Yahoo News has a story today about 5 things highly successful people do before 8 a.m. I commend it to you slugs for reading.

          • petroskhan

            Let’s take a look at this, shall we?

            “”equipped” includes the Holy Spirit for starters then added to by intense, focused, deliberate and graduate-level study with highly-qualified professors, etc. of the Bible, theology, church history, contemporary religions, Bible-based counseling, etc., etc., etc. ”

            You do realize, I hope, that not a single writer of the Bible would qualify, by your man-made, self aggrandizing standard, I hope? Not one of the Apostles, Noah, Moses, Daniel, etc, would meet your worldly, human-centric concept of “Equipped”? By that “logic”, brother, we should simply ignore their words, since they were not equipped to speak or write on the subject.

            No, I am afraid I must politely disagree with you on this. If one can evidence knowledge of the Good Book, and defend his stance on issues from its pages (taken in context), then I would listen to such a person. I would consider his words, and give them serious thought. Your reliance and admiration for man’s conventions, and your pride in adhering to them, is a detriment to your ability to follow Christ, brother. Humility would serve you better, along with a greater respect for the opinions of God, and not of men.

            As for your seminary experiences, congratulations on the early completion. It is amazing what a dedicated person can do when he tries, no argument there from me.

            I do note, however, that my two questions remain unanswered. Why is that? I am getting the feeling that there is something in those questions that you seek desperately to avoid, brother. I shall repeat them here in case they’ve been forgotten.

            1 – Were Joseph Smith and Brigham young true prophets, speaking for God?

            2 – As Christmas and Easter are both pagan in origin, and we are told by God to have nothing to do with paganism, how would you, personally, defend from Scripture participating in these pagan rituals?

            Any insight and/or assistance you could give on these would be greatly appreciated.

            Have a great day, Ron.

          • RonMar

            No, let’s not take a look at it through your lens of ignorant going to stupid. When you are wrong petroskhan you double, triple and quadruple down at least in digging yourself deeper into a hole.
            Are you really going to argue that Paul, writer of most of the NT was not an educated man, or Luke, a medical doctor who is said to have written one of the gospels – the one that bears his name and the Book of Acts of the Apostles?
            Are you really going to argue that Jesus was not a ” highly-qualified professor of the Bible, theology, contemporary religions and Bible-based counseling?
            You are so infantile in trying to defend the fact that you lack the education to do what you are trying to do and claiming you are guided in doing so by the Holy Spirit. You are guided by Satan, and again are behaving like an Islamic jihadist attacking Christians, Christianity and certain denominations you and you alone have chosen to attack.
            To use one of your baby tactics against you: Show me in the Bible where Jesus attack Christians, Christianity and certain denominations as you do. See how foolish an argument that is? – just like the ones you try to make to justify your Satanic, Islamist behaviors.
            Do not, repeat, do not call me your brother. I am not your brother, you are not my brother. You are an enemy of Christians, Christianity and the certain denominations you have chosen to attack; not by brother in Christ by any stretch of any imagination. So don’t pretend so.
            I have said all I have to say to you about your attacking Christian, Christianity and certain denominations you have chosen to attack. I see on reason to answer stupid questions from a Satanic, Islamic-behaving, evil person so full of himself he imagines he is on a mission from God. You are not!
            Christmas is a celebration of the birth of Jesus the Christ. Easter is a celebration of His Glorious Resurrection – defeat of death – and you foolishly call those pagan rights and condemn them. Try to think a bit, pet. You do have a brain functioning above reptilian level don’t you? Or not? Let me know please.
            There’s your insight again, and assistance again. What will you do with it? Predictably, based on your past behaviors, especially so here on these sites, you will plunge ahead guaranteeing you go to and burn in Hell as punishment for your horrendous behaviors against God and God’s people.

          • petroskhan

            “Are you really going to argue that Paul, writer of most of the NT was not an educated man, or Luke, a medical doctor who is said to have written one of the gospels – the one that bears his name – and the Book of Acts of the Apostles? ”

            I didn’t say that they weren’t educated. I said, and maintain, that according to YOUR definition, they are not qualified. Not one of them attended a seminary, nor was trained by men in theology. Therefore, according to your original statement, they are not qualified.

            Now, if you want to claim that God can teach a man all He wants that man to know, and “equip” him to understand Scripture, and educate others on that subject, who are YOU to judge what others know when you refuse to debate a single topic, in order to ascertain the depth of that person’s knowledge?

            “You are guided by Satan, and again are behaving like an Islamic jihadist attacking Christians, Christianity and certain denominations you and you alone have chosen to attack. ”

            Guided by Satan, is it? Is it Satan who compels me to exhort people to read their Bibles? Does it serve Satan when I tell others to follow the dictates of Scripture, and obey God rather than Man? Your logic is as faulty as your manners, brother.

            “Show me in the Bible where Jesus attacks Christians, Christianity and certain denominations as you do.”

            Foolish question, as Christianity (by that name) didn’t exist at the time. But the New Testament IS replete with examples of Christ criticizing (in some case quite harshly) those whose faith was on the wrong path. I’m sure that I don’t need to quote each example to one who allegedly graduated from a school of religious education, now, do I?

            “You are an enemy of Christians, Christianity and the certain denominations you have chosen to attack”

            No, I am an enemy of those who preach false doctrines insupportable by Scripture, as you well know. Your insistent name calling without any sort of substantive criticism is clear evidence that you’ve no leg to stand on, and fear to actually engage me in debate on matters of Scripture. It must be very sad for you to be at such a loss against someone who lacks the worldly “qualifications” of which you are so unreasonably proud. You do have my sympathy on that, brother.

            ” I see no reason to answer stupid questions…”

            Nor do I. However, since you have called me evil for critizing Mormons, the very foundation of their faith is the man Joseph Smith, and his immediate successor, Brigham Young. Answer the question put to you, and you will prove you’ve got the spine to be honest. Otherwise, you are demonstrating the most hypocriticcal cowardice I’ve yet encountered from a so-called Man of God.

            The Bible you claim to have studied in such depth is clear that questions regarding are to answered, therefore I repeat, and insist that you, as a Minister, answer me: Was Joseph Smith a prophet of God?

            If Christmas and Easter are celebrations endorsed by God, then show me, Minister, where their observance is commanded in Scripture. I can show where we are commanded to NOT observe any Holy Days other than the ones commanded by God, however.

            It’s simple. God said do nothing but what He commands. NOWHERE are we commanded to celebrate Christ’s birth or His resurrection. Combine those two, along with the undeniable historical fact that both are pagan in origin, and you have clear proof that we do not have any excuse to partake of them.

            So, my questions remain, brother:

            1. Was Joseph Smith a prophet?

            2. What’s your rationale (from Scripture) for disobeying God and celebrating pagan holidays?

          • RonMar

            You took my today definition and discussion and tried to force it back to the time of Jesus before Christianity, Christian ministers, ordained people or any such thing existed. That’s the kind of idiot putz you are in your debate tactics. Thus, your “therefores” are loads of crap based on the GIGO standard with which you must be most familiar as such a frequent user of the standard and method.
            Are you claiming to be a student of God’s, having taken or taking courses with God? If so tell us the enrollment and continuation procedures please. You show no evidence at all of being a student of God’s but rather one of Satan’s prized students and dutiful workers.
            “Foolish question, as Christianity (by that name) didn’t exist at the time.” – Uh right, but you sure wanted them to when you were attacking me a few paragraphs earlier, putz.
            FYI, Bible scholar – not – Jesus was criticizing Jews, politico-religious leaders of His time, not Christians. Remember they did not exist at the time – du-uh.
            Really my pet, petroskham, I am through with this BS from you now. You are too stupid even to see how stupid you are and how you are behaving here, what you have done and are doing to yourself.
            I give up on you, loser. Someone else is going to have to try to help you get saved from yourself and your own foolishness.
            You, SOB, I make no false claims; you do and disgust me in your doing so. GFY. SOB=Satan’s Owned Boy, and you should already know well what I mean by GFY by now.
            I refuse to put up with any more of your repetitive BS and never-ending arguing about the same things forever, over and over. Either you get it or GTH, plainly and simply.

          • petroskhan

            Then run and hide, brother. You prove with every post that you are no minister, and have a knowledge of Scripture that is sadly lacking, especially for one who claims to be a man of God.
            I give you two SIMPLE questions, and all you do is bluster, evade, and now you run off with your tail between your legs? LOL Some “minister” you must be!! Your lack of devotion to truth and the pursuit of knowledge is laughable.

            I’ll put it simply, to make this easy for you to understand, brother.
            You don’t want to answer the question about Joseph Smith because you’re afraid. You KNOW he was a false prophet, yet you cannot admit it because if you do, then your defense of Mormonism becomes suspect. Yet, if you claim that he was a prophet, then you cannot answer why you’re not a Mormon. Be a man, and just admit that you’ve erred. You will actually earn a degree of respect by that.
            You can’t answer the question about Christmas, for the same reasons. You know that any historical analysis of the celebration reveals that it’s pagan in origin, and the Bible is clear on that account. Jeremiah 10 and Exodus 32 are both great examples of why we shouldn’t adopt pagan festivals. But you don’t want to admit that you’re wrong again.
            In short, you are a coward, and no man of God. You are a soldier in the army of Satan, doing HIS will by leading people astray, by denying the truth, and teaching, tolerating, and promoting doctrines that you know to false.
            What makes your posts all the more laughable is that you have the gall to criticize me for telling people to read the Bible, and follow its teachings.
            Do you really believe ANYONE is stupid enough to read your posts, and believe that you speak from Scripture? Anyone who can read is laughing at you, Ron. Anyone who knows the Bible finds your posts and your positions a joke, as well as your claims to be a minister. No minister on EARTH would be as rude, arrogant and evasive as you are. No minister would refuse to answer simple “yes/no” questions on a matter as important as Scripture. Yet you do this constantly, and like a frightened puppy, you hide behind your baseless insults, and parrot the same nonsense over and over. “Islamic” this…”Satanic” that. Yet, when challenged to actually back it up, all you do is insult some more, and claim that you’re following in Christ’s footsteps. News flash, Sparky. Christ actually ANSWERED QUESTIONS.
            So, you’re done with me? GOOD. Maybe you’ll stop posting inane comments that prove nothing but your own shortcomings.

          • RonMar

            I’m not running or hiding, and you prove only that you are a bound for Hell idiot by your own choices and behaviors.

          • petroskhan

            Then answer the questions. They are very simple, and the answers would take far less time to type than most of the posts you’ve typed up refusing to answer them. In fact, the answer to the first question, “Was Joseph Smith a prophet of God?” would only require you typing two or three letters, yet you’ve typed up entire dissertations of your vitriol without responding to that simple question. Why? Because you’re afraid to answer it. You’re terrified of the consequences of answering that one, simple question, as the ramifications of your answer will be enormous for you.

            So, until you answer that one simple question, you reveal yourself to be the emotionally insecure, duplicitous coward that you are, running from the truth, and hiding behind your childish insults.

          • RonMar

            I’m not going to answer your stupid, pointless questions that have no meaning, interest or import to me at all. So shut up. Your concerns are not mine, pet. You are a waste of my time and effort. You are going to Hell. Concentrate on that, trying to stop yourself from your fate that you are causing.

          • KAL

            “If it’s in the Bible, it’s truth.” So he doesn’t eat pork. Or shellfish. And women have to keep their hair covered. And a BUNCH of other things that Christians don’t follow. Hmm…

          • http://www.kjv-truth-ministries.org/ Preacher Cruz

            It is sad that you think this is clever. The Bible being true in NO way means that every word in it applies to all believers anymore than all Americans are held to the standards of the UCMJ (Uniform Code of Military Justice the EXTRA set of laws that all Military personnel are subject to)…

            The Pork and Shellfish thing was to the Jewish believer in God UNDER the law… All born again believers in Christ were absolved from this prohibition in the NT (acts 10:10-15 and especially Colossians 2:20-22)

            20 Wherefore if ye be dead with Christ from the rudiments of the world, why, as though living in the world, are ye subject to ordinances,

            21 (Touch not; taste not; handle not;

            22 Which all are to perish with the using;) after the commandments and doctrines of men?
            Women keeping their HEAD covered mostly accepted to mean they should not shave their head or cut their hair very short these days but even so, not all things in the Bible are hard and fast rules that apply to all… These things are spiritually discerned and the natural man doesn’t understand them. http://www.kjv-truth-ministries.org

          • petroskhan

            “Get to know the person who calls himself petroskhan and is known by others a pet or petroskham.”

            By “others”, you mean yourself, right? Or are you using the royal “others”, as in the royal “we”?

            And I left “an entire denomination”…can you leave a partial denomination? Or partially leave?

            As for getting to know me, how about you practice what you preach, Ronnie? What do YOU know about me?

          • PreacherCruz

            You’ve made an interesting point here… You are either PART of a Denomination or church body or you are NOT. The ONLY recognized “Church” BIBLICALLY is the called out, separated and saved totality of believers!
            I could care less about what people “call” themselves you are either a Christian according to Gods word as demonstrated by FOLLOWING his word and living in his love towards one another or you’re NOT.
            I will say more on this subject in yet another post of yours…

          • RonMar

            No, I mean exactly what I said – “by others.” I know what you have posted online about yourself for some months now, plus that you do not behave at all like a Christian but rather like an Islamic jihadist attacking Christians and Christianity.
            I also know you are arrogant, egotistical, self-centered and ignorant, and that you love arguing endlessly as with the atheist JD, are dishonest, a liar and a game player.

          • petroskhan

            “you do not behave at all like a Christian but rather like an Islamic jihadist attacking Christians and Christianity.”

            I don’t act like a Christian? You mean, I’m wrong when I tell others to read their Bibles, and try to follow the Words of God as closely as possible? Or is it how I tell people to not listen to doctrines that are contrary to the Bible? Or maybe it’s wrong of me to warn people about listening to false prophets and false doctrines? Is that how I am not behaving like a Christian?

            And exactly how am I being like an Islamic Jihadist, Ron? What advocacy of Islam are you seeing in my posts? What ideologies and doctrines that are counter to the Bible’s teachings are in my words? Be as specific as possible, if you can.

            Am I arrogant, egotistical and self-centered? At times, yes. But let’s have fun here, and examine YOUR attitude, shall we? Look over any of your posts, and tell me you’re not guilty of it, Ron.

            Ignorant? Of what? When it comes to a great many things, I am ignorant. I don’t know much about international banking, neurosurgery, or civil engineering. But when it comes to the Bible, I’m fairly confident that I know my stuff. If you disagree, then take up the challenge that’s been ignored by you for months; debate a topic with me, and let’s see who knows what.

            Do I “love arguing endlessly”? Well…actually, yeah, I do enjoy a good debate. It forces me to learn more about my thoughts and positions on things, in order to demonstrate why I think I’m right.

            “…dishonest, a liar”. Examples, if you please. Evidence, you know?

            “…and a game player.” Guilty. I do love games. Computer games, to be precise. I’m not a big fan of console games (Xbox, Playstation, etc.), and I tend to enjoy RPG’s more than shooters. But I don’t see that as relevant to this discussion. (And yes, I am being facetious, and I know exactly what you meant.)

          • RonMar

            You have made your mission in life to attack Christianity – certain denominations – and Christians; so also have Islamic jihadists.

            Since you can’t understand that after I have told you repeatedly for months now please seek local, professional help. You are sick and need lots of help ASAP.

          • petroskhan

            No, Ronnie…I’ve made it my mission in life to provide a home for my family, and to follow in Christ’s footsteps.

            Part of that whole “Christian” thing is to correct others when they’re wrong. You might know that if you’d ever open a Bible. You would also know that if you, as you falsely claim, a minister.

            Pagans and devil worshipers eat and sleep, Ron. Does that make you one, since you do that as well? Just because I point the flaws of a great many religions doesn’t mean I have a thing in common with anyone else.

            If a religion is false, or has flaws, it is our duty as Christians to point it out, not coddle or approve. THAT is more destructive than anything I can think of. It’s a real pity that you’re too blinded by your own arrogance that you can’t see that, and I truly pity you, and anyone to whom you minister, if your idea of helping people to find God is allowing them to persist in error.

          • RonMar

            You are not called by God, equipped for or ordained for the work you claim to be doing. You are not guided by the Holy Spirit in what you do. It is, therefore, much more likely, a work of Satan in and of you.

            You cannot deny effectively that you are attacking Christianity and Christians of certain denominations; thus you are behaving like an Islamic jihadist.
            You have made that bed for yourself proudly with your own posts online and must now sleep in it or get out of it, repent, pray for forgiveness and be restored.

          • petroskhan

            “You are not called by God…”

            And did He tell you that Himself? The Bible says we are ALL called to preach His word, spread His message. Do you disagree with that? Do you disagree with God?

            “…equipped or ordained for the work you claim to be doing.”

            I’m equipped with a rather exhaustive knowledge of the Bible, and a strong desire to help others see the truth of its message. I’m equipped with a desire to see the works of evil undone, and false teachings exposed. I, unlike you, don’t need a piece of paper that shows that some others, using man-made conventions, have placed their stamp of approval on me. God has approved of what I do, as stated in His Words, in the Bible. Your thoughts on the subject are meaningless and so insignificant that I’m amazed you don’t see it.

            “You cannot deny effectively that you are attacking Christianity and Christians of certain denominations…”

            I don’t attack Christians. I attack lies, deceptions and false religions. You’re blind if you can’t see it, and you have my pity.

            “You have made that bed for yourself proudly with your own posts online and must now sleep in it or get out of it, repent, pray for forgiveness and be restored.”
            You’re right…I’m proud. Proud of my devotion and service to the Lord. Proud of my faith, and the strength He has given me to see the truth, and not fall prey to false religions and idolatry. You know…like Mormonism, Catholicism, and others I’ve criticized in the past. You want to call THEM Christian? Prove it. Prove they follow the Word of God, and not their own man-made pagan traditions. I can prove they don’t (in fact, I have, numerous times)

            And since we’re tossing advice back and forth…

            You need to learn humility, Ron. More than anything in all of your posts, the stink of self-aggrandizement comes through. You are obviously so impressed with yourself, and your puffed-up opinions of your own qualifications, that there is simply no room in your mind or heart for anything that you didn’t think of first. Whether the Bible supports what you say or not has become immaterial to you…it’s YOUR thoughts that predominate your mind, not the Will of God, and for that I feel sorry for you.

          • RonMar

            You, poor thing, are so delusional, such a liar or both. You are no Christian or anyone to judge who is or is not, those who are in fact Christians or anyone else. You are, in fact, an agent of Satan attacking Christianity and Christians as evidenced by your assaults on certain denominations and their adherents. In that respect you behave like an Islamic jihadist.
            You can prove to yourself you are not a Christian by measuring yourself against the WORDS model of what God expects of His people – Worship, Outreach (evangelism, Matthew 28:18-20), Relationship (with each other), Discipleship (daily quiet time spent in devotional study with God) and Service (to others as in Matthew 25:31-46).
            As you know each element of WORDS is supported by multiple passages from the Bible, and you do not measure up as a Christian in the least when evaluated against God’s WORDS.

          • petroskhan

            You, sir, are a fool, as I’ve demonstrated to anyone and everyone time and again.
            Your passionate defense of every religion which waters down the Bible, distorts God’s word, and every false religion out there clearly demonstrates that you’re nothing but a phoney, and a rather ignorant one at that.
            Go away, Ron, and spare yourself any further humiliation.

            You can try to claim you know what I do, and you can attempt to pat yourself on the back for your tolerance of false religions, but all you do is demonstrate your complete lack of understanding of God’s Word.
            You’re a force of evil in the world, Ron, furthering Satan’s goal of leading people astray, and telling them everything is fine with their faith when they are hopelessly lost, such as your defense of Mormons, Jehovah’s Witnesses, and Catholics.
            Go away, and let the adults talk, Ron. Your poison isn’t needed, wanted or welcome.

          • RonMar

            You have demonstrated only that you are the fool, a fake, charlatan, agent of Satan attacking Christianity and Christians like an Islamic jihadist.
            Prove I have ever given a “passionate defense of every religion which waters down the Bible,” or you shut up and go away, spare yourself further humiliation.
            You are a liar and a deceiver, but you do not fool me, my pet. I see right through you and you clearly for what you are – an egotistical, self-important, mentally-impaired person on the attack constantly against Christianity and Christians.
            You will be dealt with most severely by God for who you are and what you do. You know that but are so obviously powerless to wrest yourself from the grip of Satan.

          • petroskhan

            So, I attack “Christianity and Christians”, do I? Name one. Name ONE follower of the Bible that I’ve attacked, and state the nature of that attack.

            You want proof that you defend every religion which waters down the Bible? How about your defense of Mormons, Catholics and others? Or do you deny their false nature as well?

            I’m a liar? Prove it, you ridiculous dolt. Demonstrate a single lie I’ve told.

            “You will be dealt with most severely by God…” Really? He tell you that Himself, Ron? Or are you violating yet another Biblical admonition; you know, the one about not judging?

            Let’s be honest here, shall we? You are criticizing me because I do not accept religions which don’t follow the Bible. I criticize those who cling to false teachings, and lead people astray, and away from God’s truth. You, on the other hand, are a whore, pandering to and accepting anyone who calls himself a Christian, and accepting all religions, regardless of their doctrines, and regardless of whether or not they adhere to God’s Word. In short, you are evil. But you are so blinded by your own ignorant arrogance and pride that you think you’re “reaching out” to them, or “getting along” with them or some such rubbish. But if people aren’t told they’re wrong, they will never hear the truth, Ron, and your kind of religion is devoid of fervor and devotion that you might as well be an atheist, and save yourself the trouble.

            I hold myself to the standards of the Bible, Ron, and is by those standards I will be judged. It also to those same standards that I hold all who lay claim to being Christian. If that offends you, too bad for you. I’m not interested in your opinion of me, only God’s. It is HIS opinion of me that matters, and I find great comfort in reading His word, and following His laws.

            You want to call me evil for following the Bible, and holding others to its standards? Isaiah 5:20, Ron. Read it.

          • RonMar

            Get serious or seek help from a psychiatrist. Prove your assertion. Post here an exact quote with a verifiable cite where I have “defend[ed] every religion which waters down the Bible … [posted a] defense of Mormons, Catholics and others.”
            You lie in practically every post you make and over-arch that by claiming falsely that you are a Christian. You are not.
            You want to prove that you are a Christian. Assess yourself using the WORDS model of what God expects of His people, then get back to us here with an honest answer. The latter will trip you up big time.
            You don’t follow the Bible. You use it by proof texting in attempts to justify your attacks on Christianity and Christians as if you are an Islamic jihadists.

          • petroskhan

            No, Ron. Try again.

            You bore me, Ron. I’m done with you, and your lies. You can’t stick to the truth, and are afraid to actually debate a single faith topic with me, as you’ve avoided doing so more times than I can count.

            You’re no Christian, and no minister, Ron. A real minister wouldn’t resort to childish tantrums and name-calling, as you so consistently do. A true man of God would be willing to demonstrate his knowledge and discuss matters of faith in a mature and civil fashion, which you’ve avoided doing as though your life depended upon it.

            In summation, don’t bother posting to me in the future. You’re banal, boring, and childish to an extreme rarely seen. If you ever find the courage and intelligence to debate with me on a topic of faith, I will be willing to do so; otherwise, beat it.

          • RonMar

            petroskham, we have been over this stuff so many times it has to be boring to both of us and to other readers as well. The only new twist in it is my request for you to use the WORDS model to prove to yourself and everyone here you are not behaving like a Christian or simply let it be known you fear doing that for exposing yourself as not being a Christian.
            I repeat the model here for your convenience:
            You can prove to yourself you are not a Christian by measuring yourself against the WORDS model of what God expects of His people – Worship (Exo 20:2-4), Outreach (evangelism, Matt 28:18-20), Relationship (with each other John 13:34-35), Discipleship (daily quiet time spent in devotional study with God Mark 12:30) and Service (to others as in Matt 25:31-46).
            As you know each element of WORDS is supported by multiple passages from the Bible, and you do not measure up as a Christian in the least when evaluated against God’s WORDS.

          • petroskhan

            Okay, Ronnie-boy, I’ll humor you, and see how your WORDS thingie suits, but then I’m going to demonstrate how you are a monumental failure by your own standards.

            1. Worship. I worship God, and Him alone. To Him I give all glory, credit and praise. I refuse to tolerate any sort of idolatry, and for that reason will not even enter various pagan structures, such as Catholic Churches, Buddhist Temples, etc.

            2. Outreach. I strive at all times to be a witness to the glorious work of our Creator, and take great comfort in knowing that I have ready answers for those who seek more knowledge, and responses to those eschew belief in the Lord in favor of atheism or other faiths.

            3. Relationship. I try at all times to remain calm and objective, speaking to others as I would have them speak to me, and relying upon God’s Word to do my talking for me.

            4. Discipleship. As stated, our Lord is always in my heart and my thoughts. To Him alone I give credit for all that is good in my life, along with my thanks.

            5. Service. A rather significant portion of my income is always used to assist others; food, medicine, shelter, etc. I never feel that it is mine in the first place, since it came from God, so why should I not share it with those in more need than I?

            Now it’s your turn, Ron. I’m not going to try to address all of the points, since I don’t know you in your personal life. I will not attempt to address your Worship, since I’m not there when you pray, nor will I address your Discipleship or service. I will address only that which I know about you, and that from what evidence you’ve displayed online, in your discussions with me and others. Sound fair? I hope so.

            2. Outreach. You are a horrible witness, Ron. You are a black mark on the very term “Christian”. You are blinded by arrogance and self-righteousness, ignorant of how to display the most basic principles of the Bible, and refuse to actually discuss what it means to be a Christian in a polite, civil and mature fashion. I have offered innumerable times to discuss ANY issue at all with you, and you refuse, even though the Bible in which you claim to believe and which you claim to know so very well tells you that you MUST do so.

            3. Relationship. Let’s look at that passage you cite, okay?

            “I give a new commandment to you, that you should love one another; according as I loved you, you should also love one another. By this all shall know that you are My disciples, if you have love among one another.”

            How many times have I offered to be your friend, Ron? How many times have I called you my brother? How many times have I said that this hostility must stop, and that we should discuss things politely and with mutual respect? I have done so a great many times, Ron. Each and every time, your response has been the same. Anger, hatred, hostility and insults. Is that the love spoken of in the passage you cite? Is that what you’ve learned from your “WORDS” standard, Ron? You’ve even gone so far as to demonstrate anger that I would pray for you. Do you even realize how wrong that is? I don’t agree with you on a great many things, but if you want to pray for me, by all means do so. I’m sure God wants to hear from as many of us as possible. You see, I still bear you no ill will, no hostility…you are, in my mind and my heart, my brother. I have stopped using the term towards you only because YOU seem to become so upset by it, not because I don’t feel that way.

            So, there you go. My answer to your “WORDS.” I would now like to toss back another verse to you, if you don’t mind too much. Luke 6: 41-42. You’re awfully quick to toss around accusations about whatever strikes your fancy, Ron, but have you examined your own behavior any time recently? Your own words, applied to your “WORDS”, indicate that you’re not measuring up to the very standard to which you’re attempting to hold me.

            I would like to ask you something, Ron, and I am hoping very much that you will actually answer it, without repeating tired and overused insults that say nothing.

            My question is simple: Why the hostility? I know, I know, you will say that I am sort of Islamic jihadist, or some other tired line you’ve used far too many times for it to mean anything of import. But BE SPECIFIC, please.

            On what fundamental principle of faith do we disagree?

            With what position on faith of mine do you so vehemently disagree that you cannot simply discuss it like a Christian, without insults or hatred?

            By advocating that everyone read and study the Bible, how am I “being like an Islamic Jihadist”?
            What is the problem, Ron? SPECIFICALLY.

            I bear you no bad feelings or hostility, Ron. I see your anger and your hatred, but I do not share or return it. I am not made that way, and don’t wish to even understand how you can call yourself a Christian and demonstrate such evil behavior. From this side of the discussion, you will find only love and brotherhood, and a strong desire to discuss what makes you so angry and full of hate that you’re blinded to the love we are supposed to share with each other.

            I would say have a nice day, but that seems to anger you as well. So, have the day you want, the way you want, Ron.

          • RonMar

            Please read the Scriptures I provided to support each of the letters in the acronym WORDS for God’s words in the Bible telling us what God expects of His people. Also develop a list of all the Scriptures throughout the Bible supporting each of the letters of WORDS. Then try to answer again with your self-assessment to see if you are in fact doing what God expects of His people.

            Bear in mind this time that by your own prior posts you left an entire denomination and your local church, are unchurched, worship if at all in your own home with a few others; hardly the worship God expects of His people.
            Bear in mind also that your witness is to attack certain denominations that you have selected and the adherents to those denominations.
            The former two impact on your Relationship with other Christians, like-minded people as well.

            By discipleship I mean, keying on the word mind, in the Scripture reference, spending Daily quiet time with the Lord in prayer, devotional reading of the Bible, prayer, reflection on the reading, prayer, and journaling to another your thoughts on your reading, the journaling for feedback from another Christian and some accountability of you.

            On service your response was far too vague given the words of Matthew 25:31-46.

            Your comments about me are way out of line and out of order. Do you have any idea where I am right now and what I am doing here since September?

          • petroskhan

            “worship if at all in your own home with a few others; hardly the worship God expects of His people.”

            So, God expects us to take part in large-scale worship involving violating His Laws? If memory serves, and I do believe it does, the Bible shows us clearly that the Apostles gathered in small groups to worship and study. Were they wrong to do so, Ron? You’re the expert. Tell us all, please.

            If there is no organized body which adheres strictly to Scripture within driving distance of my home, would your answer be to attend a church which practices paganism? Would God approve of that?

            “Your comments about me are way out of line and out of order. Do you have any idea where I am right now and what I am doing here since September?”

            My comments about you are based on your incredibly bad manners, and poor example as a Bible following Christian. I couldn’t care less where you are, Ron. There is NOTHING you can say that will excuse your hostility, anger and hatred towards someone who has only told people to follow the Bible, and not any man-made rules set. It is based on that, and your repeated refusals to conduct yourself in a manner that brings glory to God and the name of Christianity, that I form my opinion of you. Grow up, act like a Christian, and my comments will change.

            Until then, reap what you’ve sown, Ron.

          • RonMar

            “So, God expects us to take part in large-scale worship involving
            violating His Laws? If memory serves, and I do believe it does, the
            Bible shows us clearly that the Apostles gathered in small groups to worship and study. Were they wrong to do so, Ron? You’re the expert. Tell us all, please.”
            - No, again you got it wrong, as you must do in attempts to justify your behaviors which are not Christian like at all. You add to, take away from and twist what I and others say to you in your futile attempts to justify your behaviors. At not point or time have I said “take part in large-scale worship involving violating His laws.” That is how you lie first to yourself.
            FYI, the Apostles – 12 – were a small group. I am a great advocate of small groups meeting in home(s) at least weekly as the basis for a church. That is the way it is done in Cuba where the church and people of the church are persecuted to some extent. The small groups then come together at least once a week for worship together in the church. If you read Acts 2-4 it describes the wonders of God that are happening in His churches in Cuba.

            That is one reason I say: Religion/Christianity thrives in adversity and dies in prosperity.

            “If there is no organized body which adheres strictly to Scripture
            within driving distance of my home, would your answer be to attend a church which practices paganism? Would God approve of that?” – I don’t know where you live. I do know you made harsh judgements of the SDA denominational leadership and of your local SDA church and left both, so now are unchurched, without accountability to others in a church setting, adrift, lagging behind so like the Bible says for the lion like the devil to take (1 Pet. 5:8 in context).
            You are telling me there is no denomination, no church within driving distance of where you live that is acceptable to you? God help you brother. You are in great trouble.

            I know that you have decided that the entire SDA, Jehovah’s Witness, Mormon and Catholic churches and everyone in them are unworthy and deserving only of your personal condemnation.
            “My comments about you are based on your incredibly bad manners, and poor example as a Bible following Christian. I couldn’t care less where you are, Ron. There is NOTHING you can say that will excuse your hostility, anger and hatred towards someone who has only told people to follow the Bible, and not any man-made rules set. It is based on that, and your repeated refusals to conduct yourself in a manner that brings glory to God and the name of Christianity, that I form my opinion of
            you. Grow up, act like a Christian, and my comments will change.” – You really sum up yourself in that mini-rant. Your manners are incredibly bad. You are a horrible example of one behaving like an Islamic jihadist while claiming to be “a Bible following Christian.” You admit you care less. You are hostile, angry and showing hatred toward me and others.

            You pick and choose from the Bible what you will follow; only that which suits you. You treat the Bible – God’s Holy Word – just as you treat His churches and the people who attend them. You have set your own rules. You have refused to heed my words to you, indeed attacked me for even speaking to you in the hope that you will see the errors of your ways, repent, beg forgiveness and be restored.

            You bring no glory to God or to Christianity, exactly the opposite – shame. You behave like a juvenile at times a petulant, child and little, suckling baby so wanting to be a Christian but not knowing how to do so.
            “Until then, reap what you’ve sown ….” – I do reap what I have sown and so do you. I am pleased with where I am right now and what I am sowing. You care nothing about it and write it off as me trying to make excuses for my behaviors that you have judged to be unacceptable.

            FYI, I am in the midst of one of the richest harvest fields in the world, literally risking my life to spread God’s Word, the Good News Gospel message to people in great need, and it is going extremely well as blessed by the Lord under the guidance of the Holy Spirit.

            At some point I will be reporting about it and may share with you links to the reports so you may know how you have attacked me at this time while I do the Lord’s work and you do Satan’s like an Islamic jihadist.

          • petroskhan

            “I know that you have decided that the entire SDA, Jehovah’s Witness, Mormon and Catholic churches and everyone in them are unworthy and deserving only of your personal condemnation.”
            Yes, Ron, they are worthy of my personal condemnation. They follow pagan practices, and violate Biblical doctrine. Do YOU find them acceptable? Do you believe in their practices?

            “You are hostile, angry and showing hatred toward me and others. ” Pot…kettle…sound familiar? Sure, I get a bit heated sometimes, Ronnie. I’ve offered to play nice with you how many times? I’ve said we should start over, begin fresh, and just discuss any old Bible topic you’d like, like civilized, decent Christians. And what has been your answer to each extending of my hand towards you? Sure, I get a bit harsh once in a while, but how many times can you slap a man’s hand before he says “ouch” once in a while? You offended by my reactions to your hostility? Imagine how I feel about the hostility that provoked my reaction. And FYI, the offer to start over still stands.

            “You pick and choose from the Bible what you will follow; only that which suits you.” Prove that, if you don’t mind.

            “while I do the Lord’s work and you do Satan’s like an Islamic jihadist.” Yes, I’m sure Satan wants people to read and study the Bible, and follow its rules, as I tell them to. I’m so evil to insist that people follow the Word of God…right, Ronnie?

        • tony

          Christ never said anything against homosexuality… so they ARE Christians… just not Paulists or Old Testament Jews

          • PreacherCruz

            These arguments are really just sad and self defeating. Just because Jesus didn’t speak to a particular thing this doesn’t mean he has no issue with it or that it’s okay. Jesus never taught on rape, pedophilia, bestiality, necrophilia, swinging etc etc.. WHY? It was CLEARLY already known to ALL these things fall under the umbrella of sexual immorality. Jesus DID speak to all these things by confirming that he supported ALL other scripture and wasn’t trying to replace ANY of it.

            Jesus said in Matthew 5:17-19 Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets: I am not come to destroy, but to fulfil.

            For verily I say unto you, Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law, till all be fulfilled.

            Whosoever therefore shall break one of these least commandments, and shall teach men so, he shall be called the least in the kingdom of heaven: but whosoever shall do and teach them, the same shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven.
            ALL sex outside of marriage is SIN. End of discussion, there is NO justification of it. You may PRETEND that God is not opposed to homosexuality but this is false and these pernicious lies will lead many to Hell. http://www.kjv-truth-ministries.org

        • ScarletPimpernil

          I can go to the state and federal government, apply for 501c3 status (permission to get religious), while calling it a Baptist church. Then, I can run it like a Catholic church (i.e., embrace the doctrines of the the Catholic Church). What, then, should it be called? When answering, remember:

          1) In the above described scenario, permission to establish and exercise religion was sought from our “representatives”;

          2) Right granted by government can be taken or controlled by government, so are mere privileges, in contrast with liberty rights;

          3) Liberty rights cannot be taxed, least those in whom we invested our powers abuse that power to tax the right out of reach or out of existence;

          4) The [liberty] right to establish and exercise religion is antecedent to and protected by the constitutions of the several states (countries), as well as by the constitution of their creation, that ten mile square area known as the District of Criminals.

          5) Merely that one calls his or her self out as being something does not make them that thing. We’re back to that old “merely that you stand in a garage does not make you a car” thing.

          • PreacherCruz

            Excellent points! When founding Truth Ministries we looked into tax exemption and decided it was too much like saying we were asking the government for the right to exist and for a benefit that’s un-scriptural. Where does the Bible say that ANY group of believers ought to be exempt from paying taxes? Many organizations have also been threatened with the removal of tax exemption for speaking out on politics and/or supporting or opposing candidates. NO one tells me what to say or what I can say save God… http://www.kjv-truth-ministries.org

      • tony

        Christ never said anything against homosexuality…

        • petroskhan

          First off, this objection is demonstrative of a common flaw, namely arguing from silence. Christ did not directly address a great many things, but there is no logical reason to assume that silence equates to approval. He never addressed bestiality or rape, and yet no one would try to claim that He approved of those acts either.

          Also, this objection is an example of cherry-picking, or being quite selective in what one chooses to take from the Bible, and does not choose to take. Namely, the Bible is the source of our knowledge on the will of God. It is our sole reference, in its entirety. If you accept that the Bible is the authority on what God wishes us to know, and the Bible speaks out against homosexuality (which it does), then that settles the case. Saying that Christ didn’t say a thing about it, and inferring that that somehow translates into acceptance or approval, is to deny the authority of every other passage in the Bible to the contrary.

          There is also the simple fact that when He did talk about marriage, He spoke of it as the union between a man and a woman. In Matthew 19, He said, “Have you not read that He who created them from the beginning made them male and female, and said, ‘For this reason a man shall leave his father and mother and be joined to his wife, and the two shall become one flesh’? So they are no longer two, but one flesh.” He didn’t say anything about God accepting homosexuality, or considering it to be the norm.

          Also, Christ stated numerous times that all were to follow the commandments of God, and to obey His laws, just as Christ Himself did. This includes the injunctions against homosexuality.

          So, to attempt to validate the argument you present is flawed from the outset, and the position has no merit nor Biblical foundation. It is, in fact, quite entirely against the Bible, and the Will of God.

    • RonMar

      YGTBSM-S=Spoofing. You claim to be a “Christian minister” and imagine Obama

    • mhardin

      Please tell us where you minister…

  • DustenCarlson

    Come on, you know better than this. At least you ought to.

  • Miluiel

    Now go back and read #5 again.

  • mammy

    I need the documentation before I can share any of this ethically. How hard is it to stick a link or cite a reference for these things?

    • disqus_83Ljjkvanj

      As hard as it is to click the number beside each quote which is a link to the original source…..

    • gunnyjeep

      mammy – you’ve got to be kidding me right?

    • anoesis

      Put your cursor on the red number beside the quote and read at the bottom of the page (on my computer, at least) and it tells you where and when the remark was made.

    • Know Really

      If you paid attention to the news, you’d have heard these quotes. But then again, you strike me as being liberal and even if there were documentation, you’d dispute it. Of course, you can always take a minute and click on the link in each quote and see the source. Idiot.

  • RonMar

    Obama is not a Christian, far from it. He is a Marxist and Islamic jihadist, born to a Communist mother who trapped the Marxist-Islamist Barack Hussein Obama of Kenya, already married with children in his homeland into marrying her to legitimize her baby conceived out of wedlock with some black man. He soon abandoned her and the baby who she named after the Kenyan Marxist-Islamist.
    She then took the baby to Indonesia married to the Indonesian Muslim Lolo Soetoro. Barack’s name was changed to Barry Soetoro, and he was raised as a Muslim in school and at home by his stepfather.
    Barack’s/Barry’s mother wanted him to have more Marxist training. So she got him back to HI in the care of her parents – Barack’s/Barry’s white grandparents. Her father, the boy’s grandfather was investigated during and after WWII for Communist subversive activities while in Army recreational services and after leaving the Army.
    He, his banker wife, the girl and Frank Marshall Davis showed up magically in HI about the same time, and were close friends.
    The girl, Barack’s/Barry’s mother admired Davis, his appreciation for jazz and skipped school as a troublesome teen to spend time in his crib with him and his older wife. Davis was a Marxist, writer including of pornography, a porn photography producer, bi-pedophile and heavy alcohol and drug user. He mentored Barack/Barry further in Marxism, taught him as a child heavy use of alcohol, drugs and God only knows what else.
    So there you have the history of Barack Hussein Barry Obama Soetoro Davis and whatever other name he is using from a deceased person’s SSAN in CT. The history is as told at various times by the man-child himself. So if you have a problem with it take it up with him, not me.

    • petroskhan

      Interesting. I actually gave a thumbs up on that one.

      • RonMar

        I could have taught you a lot, still can, but you chose to attack me rather than hear and listen to me. It’s your loss.

    • Emma Hunt

      wish more people were educated as you are…i already knew this but others have kept themselves ignorant to the great dividers past….Thank You

      • RonMar

        Thank you Emma. I prefer to call it informed. Way too many “educated” people are proof advanced degrees are a total waste as they are also.
        We are in an era of willfully ignorant going to stupid, easily-duped fools, idiots really, racist Dem Lib Obamaniacs, and I don’t see an end to it until Jesus returns.

        • Max

          You’re the maniac! Obama is a liar and globalist shill no doubt. But you freaking Christians are the MOST HATEFUL group of lost souls on the planet. Your kinship with the islamo-fascist is evident to rational thinkers. I wish we could send you both to the artic and let you have your god war so the rest of us can get on with building a peaceful loving world for our families.

          • RonMar

            You call me “the maniac” while saying “you freaking Christians are the MOST HATEFUL group of lost souls ….” LOL. “Christians … lost souls?” You seem a bit confused and are for sure maniacal with your shouting in all caps online.
            My “kinship with the islamo-fascist is evident to rational thinkers?” – Please explain the kinship since that bit from you makes no sense at all. You imagine yourself “rational” and one of the “thinkers?” LOL.
            Who are the “we” to whom you refer? Send me and Obama “to the artic [so he and I can] have [a] god war. That is so wrong in so many ways, I will let it pass except to tell you, you need to go to an English language remedial course with some attention to spelling such difficult words for you as “artic.” You probably meant arctic, but no one should have to guess at what you meant by “artic.”
            I’d like to hear more from you about how you imagine you “can get on with building a peaceful loving world for [yourself and family], especially without the Lord, God, Jesus the Christ. Based on your post I doubt you can build anything with a Lego set.

          • lara

            TERRIFIC REPLY…

          • Matt McLeod

            Before you start slamming people about their spelling, you should really take your grammar into consideration. Your poor level of sentence structure just makes you look like a silly hypocrite.
            Who really cares about spelling online anyhow? Do you really believe ‘lol’ is correct spelling? Obviously not but it is just common slang used online. Who cares if someone makes a spelling mistake. We all know you were just trying your darndest to find a way to get back at someone who had opposing views. I personally don’t even care if you have poor grammar I just thought it was silly that you would comment on a silly spelling mistake when your grammar is so shit.
            As for the Obama thing, why does everyone hate him so much? Could you imagine trying to appeal to over a hundred million people’s interests and trying to make each one of those people happy? Of course he is going to say certain things that may slightly go against certain people’s views, but when you look at the whole big picture of which he is trying to achieve, you will see that the man is just doing his best to make necessary changes to the way things have come to be thus far.
            Instead of focusing all of your energy on taking words out of Obama’s mouth and throwing them on a site completely out of context for your own personal arousal, please try and envision that bigger picture. Also, please stop taking petty hits on people just to make yourself feel like the ‘bigger man’. Religious or not, nobody deserves to be treated that way. Even if THEY treat YOU that way. To be the ‘bigger person’ you must keep calm and address the situation with an open mind, even taking into consideration the stance of your ‘opponent’. Think before you speak. In your case, think a lot.

            Have a wonderful life. Which I truly do mean.

          • Tim Start

            Actually, even if you take his words in full context, the man comes across as anything but a “Christian.” I am not a church goer. I believe in God. I actually agreed with some of Obama’s comments on the Christianity portion. With that being said, the man comes across as a Muslim. He also comes across as someone that doesn’t like the U.S.A. Before you argue that, I’d like you to consider that he wanted to “fundamentally transform” this country. That implies dislike. I have nothing but disdain for the main and I also have not much more than apathy for those people that continue to support his destructive policies.

          • Matt McLeod

            Also sorry I’m posting four months after this all happened. Just bored online, I know you know how it is.

          • realbluntman

            RonMar, you are disregarding his points completely and are attacking his character. The man has a point, if religion did not exist perhaps the genocide would not be as extreme. But to his point, a realist knows he cannot send all religions to the arctic.

          • Really

            @realbluntman – Yeah, that theory about how removing religion would result in less extreme genocide didn’t work out so well in practice – as the atheistic governments, (i.e., Stalin’s USSR, Mao Tse Tung’s China, Pol Pot’s Khmer Rouge, Ceauscescu’s Romania, etc.), were responsible for a huge portion of the mass murders of the 20th century, (100′s of millions).

          • Elizabeth

            Oh Lord thank you for an educated response with examples. Good for you and for your study.

          • mnaumann

            Hey raghead, take your “rice cooker” to D.C. Make sure you pull the trigger while running toward an armed guard yelling “Allah Achbar”‘ I would pay big bucks to be the guard. Fucking scumbag.

          • Steven Catface

            Because you know so many Christians are blowing themselves up and decapitating others in the name of peace.

          • Elizabeth

            Thank you for responding to him with information, examples and calm reason. Shouting down the hopelessly underinformed doesn’t help. They need strong role models. Somehow we must be those role models for them so they can witness a better way.

          • ghoreczko

            You forgot your double dose of Prozac this morning,DICKHEAD!!
            Go back to Kenya.

          • RKae

            “Your god war.” Nice.

            Hey, idiot: wars are not fought over gods. They are fought over debt, usury, imaginary money, territory and resources.

            So why don’t you go take your imaginary money to the arctic and leave me and my God alone?

          • MaxiPad

            “arctic,” genius.

  • PreacherCruz

    HEY!! RonMar fans, check THIS out please and share it!
    Here is just a snippet of my response to you that I will be sharing with EVERYONE from “Don’t Feed the Trolls: A Response to my “Friend” RonMar… http://www.kjv-truth-ministries.org/?p=1127

    Here is what little is known about RonMar from his own blurb or about on Disqus….

    “Retired US military officer with 21 years active duty, 38 years total in uniform. University assistant professor, teacher in various disciplines including aviation, boating, history, leadership and management. Graduate degree in counseling psychology, trained, certified and practiced counselor. Professional writer and editor. Founded and served as CEO of several, diverse, small businesses, all successful. Saved at age 14, called to ministry in 2000, seminary graduate, ordained, working minister and missionary particularly to Muslims and others in the Middle East and here, soldier in the Army of God resisting attacks on Christians and Christianity, minister to less fortunate people. Son of a WWII veteran, father of two sons – an attorney, and a retired AF fighter pilot. Two grandchildren.”

    Oh, my goodness! He IS accomplished but that’s nothing just wait until you see him walk on water whilst turning it into wine AND bottling it! I’m surprised he didn’t say he also had the Congressional Medal of Honor, a Nobel Peace Prize and had been Times man of the year TWICE, he was named Sexiest Man Alive in 1946 & 47 and Sexiest Woman also in 1947! He is the currently reigning three time world (MMA) Mixed Martial Arts Champion, currently serves as Vice President of the United Sates, currently holds the Guiness books world record for most words typed whilst simultaneously patting yourself on the back with both hands, and has never failed at anything except finding anyone else half as perfect, righteous and talented as himself. Also, he displayed great promise as a musician while playing the Kazoo at seven years old and undoubtedly could have been a musical prodigy had he not been so damn busy running his first successful business, a paper route. Notice something odd here though? Since he never uses his real name or says WHERE he ministers, who ordained him, where he went to college or seminary, where he supposedly teaches what businesses he supposedly founded or was CEO of we have NO way of knowing what if ANYTHING he posts about himself is true. Funny how THAT works isn’t it.

    People should treat each other with decency and respect because it’s the RIGHT thing to do but when you grow up in Detroit you also learn that you better watch who you mess with because some people you just don’t want to push too far and for ME, the edge was watching how RonMar treats EVERYONE with whom he disagrees. I will not back down and I will not show any fear of him as GOD is on my side.

    I will Blacklist him and I will not read ANYTHING he says but I will be sharing this page with EVERYONE and we will see if “RonMar” ever dares do ANYTHING about it.

    • RonMar

      Thanks for the lengthy bit of evidence against yourself behaving like the dummy as you do habitually, PreacherBoy.

  • D.J. DelliPaoli

    The story of isra? Must be one of the plagiarize stories in the quaran.

  • Ben Schaumberg

    I’m sure you can find the videos on youtube.

  • Demosthenes

    I don’t agree or like Obama, don’t get me wrong, but some of his quotes I actually tend to believe myself, especially numbers 18 and 20 in the quotes about Christianity. It’s not about who’s right and who’s wrong, it’s about respecting each others beliefs even if they are different from your own. People need to stop hating things because they don’t understand them. Everyone is so quick to judge from reading one thing and thinking they are an expert on the subject, but are too lazy to research it and gain a deeper understanding for it. Islam, in it’s TRUE nature, is not a violent religion. What we immediately think of as Islam has been radicalized to the extreme and bastardized that it in no way represents its original form. Don’t persecute true Muslims because you have been influenced by the media to hate them, embrace them, learn from them, because chances are they may have something to teach you.
    Obama is not one of the greatest presidents ever, but America being the way it is now is in no way 100% his fault. We have allowed ourselves to slip into the ditch, accepted a lower standard for ourselves, and have allowed those in “power” to believe they hold all the cards. A government’s fall is not the fault of one man who fails to act, but the fault of its society.

  • spockfan

    Obama’s religion is opportunist. If he thought being a voodoo priest would help him pbulicly, there would be chicken heads on the white house lawn. At the time he claimed to be Christian, it was beneficial for him to be Christian. I guess it isn’t now.

    • AndreainAtlanta

      Pathological narcissists are incapable of believing in powers higher than themselves.

      • Elizabeth

        Very sad and very true

  • tony

    “Whatever we once were, we are no longer a Christian nation”
    WE NEVER WERE A CHRISTIAN NATION… geez… Does anyone know history?

    • ModdKenwood

      dude you are so enlightened…you must be a raving progressive

      • tony

        I try not to rave

        • ModdKenwood

          tell me,Tony…what “were we” if not a nation founded by believers in God & Judeo-Christian ideology?
          were the founders hard core secular humanists?

          • tony

            agnostics, mostly…

          • ModdKenwood

            so pretty much “anything goes” which is where America’s at today.
            awesome,dude.

  • Imjustdisappointed

    Christians are no longer Christians just a demented offshoot way off base from the teachings. This post proves how ignorant self-proclaimed Christians are far removed from actual ones.

    • AndreainAtlanta

      And you base this on what?

  • Max

    Obama has committed few thousand Un American, unconstitutional acts in the past 5yrs. Saying nice things about Islam doesn’t crack the top 10k! You people are rascist, Christian, hate mongers. And as soon as 2016 rolls around and they put a white Christian face back on the tyranny, you’ll all revert back to your blind patriotism, and start callling for war with whichever nation the devils tell you our threats come from. Even if it’s our own.

  • sb36695

    Obama supports the muslim brotherhood.

  • James Edwards

    THE UNTOLD HISTORY of Barack Obama is the issue – and, we may never know. The one as told by RonMar herein, is about as close as it gets to the truth. There are people in the CIA who know the absolute truth, and it is ‘IN THE VAULT’ and will stay there until the day BHO leaves this earth, and perhaps even beyond. The American people have been hoodwinked, swindled, lied to, and misled. THAT, my friends is the ABSOLUTE TRUTH and you can take it to the bank. The ‘details’? You and I will never get them in this lifetime, sad to say – unless…and I think we all know what that means.

  • Arthur Longeno Pavis Jr

    Barack Hussein Obama is the anti-Christ

  • Susan C. Lalumiere

    As far as #13 on the second list, Christian pro-lifers have given plenty of agruements against abortion that have nothing to do with God, I guess you haven’t been paying attention. But if you want more non-God reasons against abortion, try asking Atheists and Agnostics for Life. Or even PLAGAL.

  • Backtobasics

    I can’t stand Obamas politics but most of these examples are of religious tolerance. Bad examples in my opinion. Islam in its entirety is not evil. It’s the wacky fringe that we are afraid of. Just like the wacky fringe of Christianity like the kkk. I love this forum and agree with most of the topics.

    • Tea Party

      Yeah, um, last I recall, christianity and the kkk are not parallels in the least. If anything, the kkk would parallel the democrat party, since that’s where it originated, but definitely not christianity. But, what do I know.

  • FtheLeft

    someone beat the s..t out of oVomit please!!!

  • Joe

    Sounds like the Anti-Christ to me !!!

  • Tea Party

    Islam is for sissies who get off watching their wives and cower.

  • Adam

    Many of these quotes I don’t have a problem with, and some look to be intentionally taken out of context to make them appear more sinister.
    For instance, the quote here says: “Islam has always been a part of America.”
    What he actually said was, “Islam has always been a part of America’s story.” and went on to say “The first nation to recognize my country was Morocco. In signing the
    Treaty of Tripoli in 1796, our second President, John Adams, wrote, ‘The
    United States has in itself no character of enmity against the laws,
    religion or tranquility of Muslims.’”
    This is absolutely true.

    • Tanks-a-lot

      John Adams DID NOT write that.
      Joel Barlow the militant atheist wrote the Article 11 FRAUD because the Treaty had to be signed as the US had no Navy thus were forced to pay tribute to the muslim pirates. You even went out of your way to omit the word GOVERNMENT in your zeal to lie.

      you dammed liar

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    Thanks so much for reposting our article, please provide a link back to us as well. Thanks for all you do, much appreciated :)

  • pendragonIV

    Could you supply when and where he said these things? Not at all an Obama supporter, but it would add validity to your statement.

    • RobS

      A few came from his interview (while a State Senator) with Cathleen Falsani — the Christianity #7 one on sin for example is there, as well as #10.

  • Steffy93

    5, 6 , 9, 11 – I can’t decide which is the most ridiculous!

  • nvrpcgs

    It’s been a known fact for a long time you idiots voted in a Muslim mole not only once but twice. It’s a shame you gave access to our nation’s most vital secrets to a Muslin collaborators. Just tells me you people that voted for El-Obozo either have the same wishes of destroying America or are extremely stupid. Either was we’ve lost a once great country because of -YOU-. Thanks for nothing AH’s

  • Jacquelyn Hartland

    He discusses things in the bible like he knows things. One day to his utter horror he wlll
    know things. I don’t wish this on him or anybody.

  • VLW

    Very, very disturbing. Are there references to state when/where these quotes were made? Are they all verified?

  • nvrpcgs

    Your Muslim mole showing his leadership qualities. Any doubt why the US is going down the tubes at warp factor 10?

  • Buckwheat

    Oduma is a terrorist and anti-American, plain and simple.

  • Kai Marks

    This just covers some of them. Great cut and paste jobs to show what they want you to think.

    http://www.factcheck.org/2009/12/truth-on-the-cutting-room-floor/

  • Kai Marks

    Still true.

  • Kai Marks

    Logic

  • RaptureForums

    Quite an interesting list.

    http://www.raptureforums.com

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